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<DIV>Thanks for your help Ron.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks too to Neal & Steve.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I mistakenly used a sub-entry because in the vast majority of cases a
derivative with a different part of speech has a different form, exactly
like your example of apostello v. and apostolos n.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Greg</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=ron_moe@sil.org href="mailto:ron_moe@sil.org">Ron Moe</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Lexicog] Shoebox help</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I'm
curious as to why you are using sub-entries to handle forms that are identical
to the citation form. The normal way to handle such things is to merely list
them as separate senses, or if they are different parts of speech, to enter
each part of speech under the main entry. Sub-entries are normally used for
complex forms--derivatives, compounds, and phrases--that are built on a root
(or stem) that is described in the main entry. This is the model that MDF is
built on and is why it behaves the way it does. If you had a main entry
'apostello' v. 'send a message' and a subentry 'apostolos' n. 'messenger',
then the Finderlist entry for 'messenger' would read:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>messenger apostolos, see: apostello.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>This
indicates that apostolos is the equivalent of messenger, but you have to look
under apostello to find it. In English we would not make love v. a subentry of
love n. or vice versa. The American Heritage Dictionary entry
reads:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>love
n. 1. An intense affectionate concern... v. loved, loving, loves. --tr. 1. To
feel love for....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In a
bilingual dictionary you would have something like this:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>love
n. 1. agape... v. 1. agapao....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Doing it this way, your Finderlist entries would
be:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>agapao
love</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>agape love</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>So
your </FONT></SPAN>Toolbox/MDF database entry for kokoro should look something
like:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\lx
kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
v</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de
to sink</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
sink, to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
v.st</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de
to be deep</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
deep, to be</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\ps
n</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\de
hole</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>\re
hole</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Doing it this way would give you three Finderlist
entries:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>deep, to be kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>hole kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>sink, to kokoro</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ron
Moe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=018504820-24062005></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><BR><FONT
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Greg and Heather
Mellow<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 24, 2005 2:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Shoebox
help<BR><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>I would
appreciate some help with Shoebox.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT
size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>I am using
Shoebox/MDF to produce a dictionary. When I export into a Finderlist some of
the entries don’t look right.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>For example, my
Shoebox entry for (kokoro, verb, sink) has a main entry and two
sub-entries that have different parts of speech, (kokoro stative verb, deep)
and (kokoro, noun, hole). Since the surface form of the two subentries is
identical to the main entry, the Finderlist entries for the two subentries
become:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2></FONT></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>deep (water)
<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I>,<I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> see: kokoro</I>.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>hole <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I>,<I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"> see: kokoro</I>.</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>It is
undesirable to have the equivalent word apparently stated twice. Is there
some way of making Shoebox/MDF give just a single equivalent?</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT
size=2></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>Like
this:</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>deep (water)
<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1">
</SPAN><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>hole <SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kokoro</I></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><o:p><FONT
size=2> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0mm 0mm 0pt"><FONT size=2>Regards,
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