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<DIV>'Niet op het gras lopen' sounds more friendly, don't you think? </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>In Germany, there are notices in parks which appear
to _give permission_ </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>for </FONT><FONT face=Arial>lying on </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>the </FONT><FONT face=Arial>grass -- </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>"Liegewiese", literally something like "lying-on meadow".
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>This, too, strikes </FONT><FONT face=Arial>a Brit. as
odd, but maybe there is a pragmatic implication that </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>dogs </FONT><FONT face=Arial>should not </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>be </FONT><FONT face=Arial>allowed to foul it, nor bicycles ridden
over the recumbent </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>persons </FONT><FONT face=Arial>stretched out there
in the sunshine</FONT><FONT face=Arial>. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>One can also find grassy </FONT><FONT face=Arial>areas
specifically allocated to dogs -- </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>"Hundewiese". </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I suppose no sane person would want </FONT><FONT
face=Arial>to lie on a Hundewiese. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>It's all very
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>orderly and organized. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Patrick </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=e.slager@wanadoo.nl href="mailto:e.slager@wanadoo.nl">Miel Slager</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:billposer@alum.mit.edu">billposer@alum.mit.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, August 24, 2005 5:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Re: Changes in
German usage</DIV>
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<P>On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, 16:39:49, <A
class=RVTS6
href="mailto:billposer@alum.mit.edu">billposer@alum.mit.edu</A> wrote:</P>
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<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>>The Dutch version was actually 'Het is (streng)
verboden het</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>>gras te betreden', later it probably was 'Niet
op het gras lopen'</SPAN></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>Am I correct in thinking that the change in what is
prohibited</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>adds to the weakening of the prohibition? To me,
the use of "betreden"</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>suggests the interpretation: "Don't you dare even
step on it.", while</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>the use of "lopen" suggests "Don't stroll around on
it. (Lightning will</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=RVTS8>not strike if you should happen to touch the
grass.)".</SPAN></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></P>
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<P>It is true that 'betreden' is explicitly inchoative, like 'to step on', but
in those days you could also find the slightly ridiculous prohibition 'Het is
(streng) verboden zich op het gras te bevinden' (it's forbidden to be
[situated/located] on the grass). The true difference every native speaker of
Dutch will immediately see is that 'Niet op het gras lopen' is unmarked with
respect to formality, or even a little bit informal, whereas the former
phrases were very formal. And of course the formal phrases explicitly say
'it's forbidden', whereas the informal phrase at least opens the question why
I shouldn't do it: because of the prohibition by some stupid authority or
rather out of necessity, practical reasons, common sense, etc.</P>
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face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT><BR></P>
<P>Miel Slager</P>
<P>url: <A class=RVTS6
href="http://home.wanadoo.nl/e.slager">http://home.wanadoo.nl/e.slager</A></P>
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