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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>From the languages that didn’t
appear in email on ‘bat’:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Latin <span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>vespertilio</span></span><span class=GramE> <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>which</span> obviously derived from vesper
(evening)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Polish <span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>nietoperz</span></span><span class=GramE><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(</span>this is obviously a negative
formation, since prefix <span class=SpellE>nie</span>- is a negative particle,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=GramE><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>but</span></font></span><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> I do not know what is
the meaning of the rest (maybe someone of Polish background can explain this)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Italian <span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span><span
class=SpellE><span class=GramE>maglio</span></span><span class=GramE> <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(</span>metaphoric <span class=SpellE>meanining</span>
derived from mallet, head of sledgehammer); also <span class=SpellE>mazza</span>
(sledge-hammer); <span class=SpellE>mazzeranga</span> (beetle, rammer) and
finally <span class=SpellE>pipistrello</span> (from <span class=SpellE>pipita</span>
– pip in fowls, piece of loose skin)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Arabic<span style='mso-tab-count:1'> </span>in
addition to <span class=SpellE>waTwaaT</span> which I already mentioned in one
of the earlier emails,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span class=SpellE><span
class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>miDrab</span></font></span></span><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> (from the root D-r-b – to beat, to strike; cp. Italian
etymologies); <span class=SpellE>miijaar</span> (from <span class=SpellE>wajr</span>
or <span class=SpellE>wijaar</span> cave, cavern, grotto, <span class=SpellE>i</span>.
e. according to the place of habitation)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>I can tell that the word ‘bat’
gives a lot of ideas for the ways how meanings derived. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Hayim Y. Sheynin<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoAutoSig><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on"><font size=3
color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
mso-no-proof:yes'>Gratz</span></font></st1:PlaceName><font color=navy><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Simon Wickham-Smith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, September 15, 2005
7:20 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] bat</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>hi - so I looked up the
Tibetan word for bat. I found <i><span style='font-style:italic'>pha wang</span></i>,
which didn't really help very much until it dawned on me that it might be an
alternative or dialectical pronunciation of <i><span style='font-style:italic'>'phur
wa</span></i>, ie a flying fox. I haven't come across any mythology which
could help in this etymological search, maybe someone out there can help.
I would definitely connect <i><span style='font-style:italic'>pha</span></i> with
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>'phur</span></i>, which would emphasise the
flying thing.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>In Mongolian it's <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>sarisan bagvaaxai</span></i>, in which <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>saris</span></i> means a membrane or else
leather (here in the appositive genitive) and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>bagvaaxai</span></i> is
another word for a simple commonorgarden bat. I can't work out the
etymology of <i><span style='font-style:italic'>bagvaaxai</span></i> (any
takers?) but interestingly the word for a dandelion is <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>bagvaaxai tsetseg</span></i>, a bat-flower.
(Note that these terms are grammatically different: the leathery bat is
noun+gen+noun, but the dandelion is noun+noun.)</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>I also found a Uyghur
dictionary and scanned that. There are three words (or more likely three
spelling variants) - <i><span style='font-style:italic'>žäpäräk</span></i>, <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>žäpiräń </span></i>and<i><span style='font-style:
italic'> žipäräk. Žäpä </span></i>means a sound, signal or
indication, which clearly has something to do with the bat's tweepytweep
signalling. On the other hand, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>žäpiräk</span></i> means
emaciated or lean...don't quite get that. I have no idea whether this is
of any use, but the ending <i><span style='font-style:italic'>-räk</span></i> (or
<i><span style='font-style:italic'>-raq </span></i>in fronted vowel words) is a
comparative marker for adjectives. </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>What's the Turkish word?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Interesting that the
Hungarian bat is a leather(y) mouse. A bit like an effless Fledermaus,
perhaps?</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>What about the adjective <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>batty</span></i>? I suspect that there is no
connection between the Jamaican argot use for<i><span style='font-style:italic'>
queer</span></i> (which reminds me of the quasi-euphemistic phrase
"batting for the other side", clearly pejorative and clearly from the
playing fields of English public schools, where I tell you from experience that
battiness is not uncommon; but also there's a left-hander I think too,
another historically pejorative phrase, meaning a queer man) and the British
meaning of <i><span style='font-style:italic'>crazy</span></i> (a
Fledermaus short of an f perhaps?). Maybe it's because they do things the
"wrong" way round - hanging upside down and sleeping during the
day...?</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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