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thanks Filip, Jimm, I was also hoping to know who was making the judgement of a term being 'archaic' - the lexicographer or the speaker consultant(s) or speech community. <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>qo'c (later), </DIV><DIV>Phil Cash Cash<DIV> <BR><DIV><DIV>On Feb 10, 2006, at 1:04 AM, Filip Rudolf wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR><BR><B><I><A href="mailto:goodtracks@peoplepc.com">goodtracks@peoplepc.com</A></I></B> wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <TT> I use "archaic" as a term that has documented use in past generations, but <BR> is no longer used or known by present day speakers. There may be persons <BR> who recall the term however.<BR> I use "old" for those terms that may be heard from and used by a few <BR> persons, but are not the usual word or pronunciation of a word that is <BR> current.<BR> Jimm<BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From: "phil cash cash" <<A href="mailto:pasxapu@DAKOTACOM.NET">pasxapu@DAKOTACOM.NET</A>><BR> To: <<A href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>><BR> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:03 PM<BR> Subject: [Lexicog] archaic entries<BR> <BR> <BR> > Hi everybody,<BR> ><BR> > I just wanted to ask for some input on the intent or meaning behind<BR> > defining a dictionary entry as "archaic."<BR> ><BR> > Thanks in advance,<BR> ><BR> > Phil Cash Cash<BR> > University of Arizona<BR><BR><no longer used or known by present day speakers> Well, perhaps <no longer used> would suffice. Forms such as 'thou art' or 'thou shalt' are no longer used but are surely understood by educated speakers. It would be interesting to have a closer look at such labels as 'old', 'old use', 'archaic', 'obsolescent' or 'obsolete' as the the distinctions between them are not clear-cut. <BR><BR>Filip<BR> <BR> </TT> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><BR><P>__________________________________________________<BR>Do You Yahoo!?<BR>Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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