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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brilliant</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards, Greg</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ron_moe@sil.org href="mailto:ron_moe@sil.org">Ron Moe</A> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 10, 2006 3:15
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Sort order
problem</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>David's suggestion (below) is sometimes the only way to get
a database to sort in a desired order. For instance in some Bantu languages we
want to sort nouns by their citation form which includes an inflectional
prefix (e.g. muntu [from mu- 'CLASS 1' + ntu 'person']). But we want to sort
verbs by their stem form, ignoring the inflectional prefix in the citation
form (e.g. kwona [from ku- 'INFINITIVE' + on 'see' + -a 'FINAL VOWEL']). So
muntu sorts under M and kwona sorts under O. There is no easy way to achieve
this result without setting up a sort field in which you would place 'muntu'
and 'ona':<BR><BR>\lx ntu<BR>\lc muntu<BR>\sort muntu<BR><BR>\lx on<BR>\lc
kwona<BR>\sort ona<BR><BR>We then sort on the \sort field when we export the
file for printing.<BR><BR>So when all else fails, set up a sort field and
tweak it until you get the desired result.<BR><BR>Ron Moe<BR><BR>On Thu, 9 Mar
2006 10:58:32 -0500<BR>"David Frank" <david_frank@sil.org>
wrote:<BR>> from David Frank:<BR>> <BR>> I'm afraid I don't have a
lot of experience with Shoebox/Toolbox, but I <BR>> would have expected a
computer program like this to automatically delete any <BR>> trailing
spaces for every field. Does the program not do that? It is a very <BR>>
simple and standard thing to do. You shouldn't have to do that manually, or
<BR>> do your own programming.<BR>> <BR>> Surely Shoebox/Toolbox uses
the space the way it does in sorting not because <BR>> of natural ASCII
sort order or because of trailing spaces at the end of a <BR>> field, but
because that is how the programmers thought that most people <BR>> would
want entries sorted. But you should be able to specify your preferred <BR>>
sort order. I will leave it up to someone else to say how spaces can be
<BR>> ignored completely.<BR>> <BR>> I still find it helpful to have
a "sort key" field for each entry, whereby <BR>> the lexical entry is
converted according to rules into a sort key, and the <BR>> sort key is
used for sorting. I haven't tried doing that with <BR>> Shoebox/Toolbox,
though. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Yahoo! Groups
Links<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR><BR></TT>
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