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Engin wrote that bat means baykuş, but he made a little mistake that bat means yarasa like in batman-yarasa adam, baykus is owl (baykuş - s with a dot)...<br><br>Emrah<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/10/06,
<b class="gmail_sendername">gunduz_engin</b> <<a href="mailto:gunduz_engin@yahoo.com">gunduz_engin@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
--- In <a href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</a>, Simon Wickham-Smith<br><wickhamsmith@...> wrote:<br>><br>> hi - so I looked up the Tibetan word for bat. I found pha wang,
<br>> which didn't really help very much until it dawned on me that it<br>> might be an alternative or dialectical pronunciation of 'phur wa, ie<br>> a flying fox. I haven't come across any mythology which could help
<br>> in this etymological search, maybe someone out there can help. I<br>> would definitely connect pha with 'phur, which would emphasise the<br>> flying thing.<br>><br>> In Mongolian it's sarisan bagvaaxai, in which saris means a membrane
<br>> or else leather (here in the appositive genitive) and bagvaaxai is<br>> another word for a simple commonorgarden bat. I can't work out the<br>> etymology of bagvaaxai (any takers?) but interestingly the word for a
<br>> dandelion is bagvaaxai tsetseg, a bat-flower. (Note that these terms<br>> are grammatically different: the leathery bat is noun+gen+noun, but<br>> the dandelion is noun+noun.)<br>><br>> I also found a Uyghur dictionary and scanned that. There are three
<br>> words (or more likely three spelling variants) - Åäpäräk,<br>> Åäpiräñ and Åipäräk. Åäpä means a sound, signal or<br>> indication, which clearly has something to do with the bat's<br>> tweepytweep signalling. On the other hand, Åäpiräk means emaciated
<br>> or lean...don't quite get that. I have no idea whether this is of<br>> any use, but the ending -räk (or -raq in fronted vowel words) is a<br>> comparative marker for adjectives.<br>><br>> What's the Turkish word?
<br>><br><br>You asked this question a long time ago, but as I could not<br>find the answer in the replies (perhaps I missed it), here<br>we go:<br><br>baykuş is the word for bat in Turkish. Tietze's Etymological<br>Dictionary for Turkish says it comes from "bay" (meaning 'rich',
<br>but this word no longer has that meaning) and "kuş" (meaning<br>'bird'). If the last letter of the word is not legible in your<br>mail reader: It is an 's' with a cedilla underneath.<br><br>Now, why a bat would be considered 'rich', I have no idea.
<br>The etymology did not really make sense to me.<br><br>-engin<br><br><br>> Interesting that the Hungarian bat is a leather(y) mouse. A bit like<br>> an effless Fledermaus, perhaps?<br>><br>> What about the adjective batty? I suspect that there is no
<br>> connection between the Jamaican argot use for queer (which reminds me<br>> of the quasi-euphemistic phrase "batting for the other side", clearly<br>> pejorative and clearly from the playing fields of English public
<br>> schools, where I tell you from experience that battiness is not<br>> uncommon; but also there's a left-hander I think too, another<br>> historically pejorative phrase, meaning a queer man) and the British<br>
> meaning of crazy (a Fledermaus short of an f perhaps?). Maybe it's<br>> because they do things the "wrong" way round - hanging upside down<br>> and sleeping during the day...?<br>><br>> Si<br>> ---
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