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<DIV><SPAN class=330195021-31052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Patrick Hanks wrote:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330195021-31052006><FONT size=2>I guess all this reinforces the
point that semantic tagging is more problematic than part-of-speeech <FONT
size=2>tagging. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330195021-31052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330195021-31052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There
are between 10 and 100 grammatical categories in a language. There are between
1,000 and 10,000 semantic categories. So we are about two orders of magnitude
greater in semantics. I'm not a mathematician, but I believe complexity works
exponentially.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=330195021-31052006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Ron
Moe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Patrick
Hanks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:58 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Semantic
parsing<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>David Frank wrote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>> What am I missing?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Nothing -- Well not much, anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The problem in this case is the word 'resemble', not
FrameNet. You could not have chosen a less instructive </FONT><FONT
size=2>frame than the Similarity Frame in FN (of which "resemble" is a
member). </FONT><FONT size=2> </FONT><FONT size=2>Anything can
resemble anything, so semantic tagging of valences isn't going to
</FONT><FONT size=2>shed much light on the </FONT><FONT size=2>meaning.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>To be fair, this frame does mention that there is a
[[Dimension]] </FONT><FONT size=2>in respect of which similarity is measured.
That seems somewhat helpful. (The [[Dimension]] may be mentioned explicitly,
or left to the imagination -- but it's still there in the semantics of
"resemble", even when not explicit.) </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>FN says:</FONT></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top width=85 cellpadding="4"><FONT
style="COLOR: #ffffff; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #9400d3">Dimension []</FONT><BR></TD>
<TD vAlign=top align=left width=500 colSpan=2>This FE marks constituents
which express a property in respect to which the similarity of the
entities is assessed. </TD></TR>
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<TD width=500>The disc announced Friday is <FONT
style="COLOR: #ffffff; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #9400d3">physically</FONT>
<FONT style="COLOR: #ffffff; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #000000">SIMILAR</FONT>
to current music CDs </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial>* * </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Comparison with "represent", which is in the
Communicate_categorization frame, is quite
thought-provoking.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I guess all this reinforces the point that semantic tagging
is more problematic than part-of-speeech </FONT><FONT size=2>tagging.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Patrick</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=david_frank@sil.org href="mailto:david_frank@sil.org">David
Frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Semantic
parsing</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>from David Frank:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>I was interested to hear about
FrameNet. I am doing a study that includes an analysis of the word
"resemble," and I have been wondering how Fillmore would analyze the case
frame for that verb, as compared with, for example, "represent," and I
wasn't sure how to find out.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>However, after looking at the
FrameNet web site, I am disappointed. The analysis of "resemble" I found
at <A
href="http://framenet.icsi.berkeley.edu/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=118&le=7974">http://framenet.icsi.berkeley.edu/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=118&le=7974&</A></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> is something like the following (using my
own example):</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>That cloud resembles a bear =
[[Entity_1]] resembles [[Entity_2]].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Additionally, there is a
definition given for "resemble": "have a similar appearance to or features
in common with." "Entity" as a frame is defined as "A thing (either abstract
or physical) that exists with some degree of permanence." There are no
insights as to the relationship between Entity_1 and Entity_2.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>To me this is not very helpful.
What am I missing?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>----- Original Message -----
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:rtroike@email.arizona.edu"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
size=2>rtroike@email.arizona.edu</FONT></A><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
size=2>lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</FONT></A><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:01
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Subject: [Lexicog] Semantic
parsing</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><BR><FONT
size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Patrick's
excellent and very clear exposition of the problem of semantic<BR>parsing is
exactly what is being addressed in Charles Fillmore's seemingly<BR>little
known Framenet project, which is using frame semantics to set up
an<BR>automatic semantic annotation system. The url for the project
is:<BR><BR> </FONT><A
href="http://framenet.icsi.berkeley.edu/"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
size=2>http://framenet.icsi.berkeley.edu/</FONT></A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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