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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>from David Frank:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>If Agent is more generic than Healer,
then it seems to me that there is an imbalance in the FrameNet analyses of these
sentences:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> John [[Healer]]
treated Mary with antibiotics.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> John [[Agent]]
treated the woodwork with creosote.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>The second of these sentences should
have been given a frame that is more specific than simply Agent, to match the
level of specificity in the first example. Or else John should be called an
Agent in both cases.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2>To follow this to its logical
extreme, shouldn't each agentive verb -- and each sense of each verb
-- have its own specific type of agent? How about these
examples?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> John [[stumbler]]
stumbled over a root.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> John [[drinker]]
drank a cup of coffee.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2> et
cetera</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2>In the first example, of John
treating Mary with antibiotics, how would you distinguish that from the
following?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2> John healed
Mary with antibiotics.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2>In other words, when John
treated Mary with antibiotics, what if that treatment didn't actually have any
positive effect? Is he still a Healer then? On what basis? <FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2>I agree with the concerns that I have
heard, that this all seems very ad hoc and inconsistent. Maybe the problem is
that it is not yet "ready for prime time."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Patrick Hanks wrote:<BR><BR>Thirdly,
the relationship between semantic types and semantic roles needs<BR>attention.
To take an example:<BR><BR>John treated Mary with antibiotics = [[Healer]]
treated [[Patient]] with [[Medication]]<BR>John treated the woodwork with
creosote = [[Agent]] treated [[Material]] with [[Alterant]]<BR><BR>Does FN
provide sufficient information for the interpretation that in one<BR>case John
is a Healer and in the other an Agent? The semantic type of "John"<BR>is
[[Human]]; there is nothing explicit in the text that says that he is
a<BR>Healer or an Agent. This is a semantic role assigned to John (semantic
type<BR>= Human) by the context. This is a systematic problem with FN, which we
are<BR>trying to address in the Verb Pattern Dictionary (watch this
space).<BR><BR>John Roberts wrote:<BR><BR>I would disagree with your semantic
analysis here. Agent is a more <BR>generalized semantic role and John is Agent
in both cases. Healer is a more <BR>verb-specific semantic role and would
strictly apply to the first argument <BR>of the verb *heal*. But you could apply
the role of Healer to *treat* in <BR>this sense of "apply medical attention".
The more specific semantic role of <BR>*John* in *John treated the woodwork with
creosote* would be Preserver as in <BR>the sense *apply something to
preserve*.<BR><BR>The sense of the predicate *treat* is derived from the object
of the verb <BR>and the object of the preposition *with*. For example, in (a)
where the <BR>object is *the patient* the interpretation of *treat* meaning
[apply medical <BR>attention] makes the most sense, whereas in (b) where the
object is *the <BR>woodwork* then the interpretation of *treat* meaning [apply
preservative] <BR>makes the most sense. In (c) since the *poisonous snake* is
not inanimate <BR>the interpretation of *treat* meaning [apply medical
attention] makes more <BR>sense than the interpretation of *treat* meaning
[apply preservative] and <BR>you assume that John is a veterinarian. (semantic
role of Vet?)<BR>...<BR>In any case the semantic role of the subject NP in each
case is determined <BR>by the semantic properties of the object of the verb and
the semantic <BR>properties of the object of *with* deliminating the meaning of
the verb <BR>*treat*. Whether you choose to specify this semantic role in more
general <BR>terms like Agent and Patient or in more verb specific terms such as
Healer, <BR>Preserver, Pay attentioner, etc. it wouldn't capture the fact that
the <BR>meaning of *treat* is derived from its
complements.<BR></DIV></FONT>
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