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(¿)SOSIAS? I'd never heard of it, and it isn't in at least one good
online Spanish-English dictionary I consulted. The Real Academia does
have it, however, and the Pequeño Larousse has it, but only in its
historical/biographical section. It is a borrowing just as much as the
sense of "doble" that you mention, coming from a character in a play by
Plautus (later echoed by Molière). To me your example would be like
saying it was somehow illegitimate to have taken the word "legislator"
from French or Latin, because the true English word would be "solon".<br>
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People do, as you note, tend to write the way they talk, and in both
talking and writing they readily adapt structures from neighboring
languages, even when they already have a structure with similar meaning
and usage potential. English could use "Sosias" as a doppelgänger for
"double", and I would in fact be surprised if no English-speakers ever
have. <br>
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English would be totally unrecognizable if you took out all the
borrowed forms from it, and it is by no means the only language on
earth of which that is true. More generally, the only language that
maintains its purity is a dead language. <br>
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--David Tuggy<br>
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Michael Nicholas wrote:
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<div>Dear Fritz,</div>
<div> The last bit got mixed what with being in a hurry etc. So I
have rewritten it. What I am trying to get at is the following. The
predominant position of English means that other languages are heavily
influenced by it:direct loan words, adaptations or using words that are
apparently the same but are not in fact. If a modern language is used
worldwide and then decides to write dictionaries based on a corpus, and
if the corpus is based primarily on the written word, and if the
writers are heavily influenced by English, then we will end up with
a language community using words/constructions/that are really not a
part of their language. EXAMPLE: Spanish has a word - SOSIAS. Halfway
through the sixties the Spanish word DOBLE began to be used instead of
SOSIAS because it existed and to many it must have seemed the Spanish
version of DOUBLE. It now has that meaning!<br>
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<b><i>Michael Nicholas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mrnicholas007@yahoo.es"><mrnicholas007@yahoo.es></a></i></b>
escribió:</div>
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<div>Dear Fritz,</div>
<div> I think the song in question mentions how brave and honest
and intelligent and honourable we English are - while underlining that
our most typical trait is that most English of virtues - MODESTY.</div>
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<div> The point I wanted to make is that this soccer/football
debate is about how language community B gets language community A
speakers to refer to the achievements of A in the language of
community B. The next step is for A speakers to use B language instead
of their own language in certain situations - (See the Jaques Tati film
The Holiday of M. Hulot(?))<br>
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<b><i>Fritz Goerling <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org"><Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></a></i></b>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Sure, John, reminds me of the comic song with
the refrain <O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">“</span></font><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana;">The English the English
the English are best <br>
I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.”<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Well, if <ST1><ST1>England</ST1></ST1>
is the mother country of modern* football, others have refined<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">the game
(I’ll send you something funny off-list, showing different football<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">tactics
which confirm our stereotypes about each other).<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Let’s keep
our eye on the ball,<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Fritz<O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><O></O></span></font></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">*Maybe we
can start a discussion about what is “modern”. <O></O></span></font></div>
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<div><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">John Roberts wrote:<O></O></span></font></div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Thanks, Michael. And the British can do this
too. See this website:<br>
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<a href="http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/BestifBrits.htm">http://www.historic<wbr>-uk.com/CultureU<wbr>K/BestifBrits.<wbr>htm</a><br>
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... but I think we have taken our eye off the ball.<br>
<br>
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<O></O></span></font></div>
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