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<div>Dear Fritz,</div> <div> The last bit got mixed what with being in a hurry etc. So I have rewritten it. What I am trying to get at is the following. The predominant position of English means that other languages are heavily influenced by it:direct loan words, adaptations or using words that are apparently the same but are not in fact. If a modern language is used worldwide and then decides to write dictionaries based on a corpus, and if the corpus is based primarily on the written word, and if the writers are heavily influenced by English, then we will end up with a language community using words/constructions/that are really not a part of their language. EXAMPLE: Spanish has a word - SOSIAS. Halfway through the sixties the Spanish word DOBLE began to be used instead of SOSIAS because it existed and to many it must have seemed the Spanish version of DOUBLE. It now has that meaning!<BR><BR><B><I>Michael Nicholas <mrnicholas007@yahoo.es></I></B>
escribió:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div> <DIV>Dear Fritz,</DIV> <DIV> I think the song in question mentions how brave and honest and intelligent and honourable we English are - while underlining that our most typical trait is that most English of virtues - MODESTY.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> The point I wanted to make is that this soccer/football debate is about how language community B gets language community A speakers to refer to the achievements of A in the language of community B. The next step is for A speakers to use B language instead of
their own language in certain situations - (See the Jaques Tati film The Holiday of M. Hulot(?))<BR><BR><B><I>Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></I></B> escribió:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Sure, John, reminds me of the comic song with the refrain <O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">“</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Verdana size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The English the English the English are best <BR>I wouldn't give tuppence for all of the rest.”<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Well, if <ST1><ST1>England</ST1></ST1> is the mother country of modern* football, others have refined<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">the game (I’ll send you something funny off-list, showing different football<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">tactics which confirm our stereotypes about each other).<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let’s keep our eye on the ball,<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fritz<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">*Maybe we can start a discussion about what is “modern”. <O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV id=ygrp-mlmsg> <DIV id=ygrp-msg> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black">John Roberts wrote:<O></O></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks, Michael. And the British can do this too. See this
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