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Oh, *that's* the word! Indubitably.<br>
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--dt<br>
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Michael Nicholas wrote:
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<div>Dear David,</div>
<div> Doubtful?<br>
<br>
<b><i>David Tuggy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:david_tuggy@sil.org"><david_tuggy@sil.org></a></i></b> escribió:</div>
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<div>Assumptions or expectations probably reflected in this
discussion: <br>
1. en-/em- (or any other morpheme) has only one meaning. (I.e. it is
not polysemous.)<br>
2. There is only one path from pieces (morphemes) to overall meaning
that can be correct.<br>
3. There is a principled distinction between "basic" and "non-basic"
meanings which always obtains. (Of course we may not always be able to
discern or demonstrate it.)<br>
4. Once a basic sense, always the basic sense.<br>
5. If a meaning component (e.g. “make”) can be shown to come from one
morpheme in a word, it cannot come from another.<br>
6. If a meaning component (e.g. “make”) can be shown to be absent in
one use of a morpheme, it is absent from all. (This may be #1 above in
another form.)<br>
7. If a it can be shown that a given meaning component (e.g. “make”)
*needn't* be present in a given morpheme, that proves that it *cannot*
be present. (Perhaps this is just a stronger form of #6.)<br>
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I find all of these assumptions highly dudacious. (dudible? dubitional?)<wbr>.<br>
<br>
mhofwiw.<br>
<br>
--David Tuggy<br>
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Sebastian Drude wrote:
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type="cite">Thank you, Kenneth,
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cite="mid20061026161334.10515.qmail@web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
type="cite">Two examples that come to mind of en- creating an
intransitive verb from a noun are enlist, encyst, though both of these
verbs can also be used transitively.<br>
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If one could show that the intransitive sense is the basic one, that
would be one more argument against <i>em-/en-</i> as carrier of the
sense component "to make".<br>
<br>
What I was looking for are derivations of intransitive verbs (possibly
with the meaning "to become X") exactly WITHOUT <i>em-/en-</i>. <br>
I probably caused a confusion by mentionning the verbalizing SUFfix <i>-en</i>
(as in <i>widen</i>) in this context, easily confused with the prefix
in question.<br>
<br>
Sebastian<br>
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