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What I meant by "striking" is the strong evidence such words provide that grammatical gender has little to do with ideology. The association between "father" and country and between "mother" and language must find its explanation elsewhere.<br><br>--Ken<br><br><b><i>Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <!-- Network content --> </div><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Ken, I find nothing striking about that in the
same way as I do not find it striking that German “Vaterland” has “Vater” (= father) and “Land” (neuter gender).<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Ken Hill wrote:<o></o></span></font></div> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id="ygrp-sponsor"> <div id="nc"> <div> <div style="background: white none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial;
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