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Lieber Fritz,<br><br>I asked my question intentionally, because in translation from Hebrew Proverbs 17:22 (<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">Lēv śamēa</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Doulos SIL";">ḥ</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";"> yētîv gēhāh</span>) the word <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">gēhāh</span> which usually translated as 'good health' or medicine in your translation, is really problematic. First of all it is a hapax legomenon (i.e. it occurs only once in the Bible), secondly the verb from which this noun is derived means 'to remove abscess, boil' and only in this sense may mean 'good health, healing'. The same verse in ancient Syriac translation<br>instead <span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman";">gēhāh used gawah and
manuscript readings give gufa, both mean 'body'. So it seems the correct translation should be 'Joyful heart improves condition of body'which is a parallel to Latin proverb: Mens sana in corpore sano</span>. <br><br>Hayim<br><br><b><i>Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <!-- Network content --> </div><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Shalom Hayim,<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Proverbs 17:22 says in the King James version: “A merry heart doeth good like a medicine.”<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Your Greek saying giving that role to “time” has a German equivalent in “Die Zeit heilt alle Wunden”<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">(= time heals all wounds).<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font
color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Greetings, Fritz<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id="ygrp-msg"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">Fritz--</span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o></o></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><</span></font><font
color="black" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">“Laughter is the best medicine” (free translation from “Proverbs” in the Bible)>, what verse of Proverbs is it?</span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o></o></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">The formulation in your translation looks as a parallel to old Greek</span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">saying: Ho chronos farmakon estin (The time is the best medicine).</span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> <o></o></span></font></div> </div> <div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">! </span></font><font color="black" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">Hayim Sheynin</span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@<wbr>sil.org></span></i></b> wrote:<o></o></span></font></div> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 1.5pt solid rgb(16, 16, 255);"><!-- Network content --><!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">True, Donald, but I am interested in </span></font>“<font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black;">Who does what, when, under which circumstances?<O></O><O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div>
<div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Agent (individual or group; gender), patient (absence or presence), differences in rank (social situation)?<O></O>”<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">I am also interested in cross-cultural “false friends.”<O></O></span></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Therefore I asked a group of Anglophones (Irish, English, American) to act out different kinds of laughing, and also who would laugh like that in what circumstances or contexts. That was funny in itself.<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">“to giggle”, they all said, would happen in a group of young girls (German “kichern” is the exact equivalent)<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">“to cackle” (a kind of mischievous laughter) could be associated with a witch. That is not the case with German “gackern” (or French “caqueter”) which is said of hens. “To guffaw” (a loud roaring laughter) seems to be said of a group of men; in German it would have to be paraphrased, maybe depending upon context by “wiehernd lachen” (“wiehern” is the sound “horses” make).<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">“glucksen” in German (“glousser” in French), associated
with “hens,” obviously is not the equivalent of “to chuckle.” The latter has been called “the most human kind of laughter.”<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">“Ho ho” (Santa Claus kind of laugh), “Ha ha,” (“Ha ha, I got you” or said sarcastically when a joke did not seem funny) reproduce different kinds of laughter.<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;"><O><O></O>“Laughter is the best medicine” (free translation from “Proverbs” in the Bible),</O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <O></O> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-family: Arial;"><O></O><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz
Goerling<O></O></span></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><O></O>Donald Pepper wrote:<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <O></O> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id="ygrp-msg"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">laughter is a form of expression when no words are available.<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><O></O><br> <O></O><b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@<wbr>sil.org></span></i></b> wrote:<O></O><o></o></span></font></div> </div> </div> <blockquote style="border-left: 1.5pt solid rgb(16, 16, 255);"><!-- Network content --><!-- Network
content --><O></O><O></O> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">I am interested in how different kinds of laughter are expressed in different languages and what principles (of word formation, onomatopoeia, etc.) are followed in building these words! .<O>! </O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Some examples from English and German:<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div><O></O> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color:
black;"><O></O>English German<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div><O></O> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><O></O>to chuckle glucksen (not an exact equivalent)<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">to giggle
kichern<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div><!-- FONT color="black" face="Arial" size="3"--> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">to cackle ! ; gackern<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">to snicker/snigger ?<O></O></span></font><o></o></div> <O></O></div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: Arial; color: black;">to titter one would have to describe it by a paraphrase or show it<O></O><O></O></span></font><o></o></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font si="3" color="black" face="Arial" size="3">/! FONT><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><O></O><O></O>What elements enter into play as differentiating factors? Who does what, when, under which circumstances?<O></O><O></O><o></o></span></font></div> </div> </div> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Agent (individual or group; gender), patient (absence or presence), differences in rank (social
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