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My dad used to say that a little incompatibility wasn't such a bad
thing in a marriage, especially if he had the income and she had the
pattibility.<br>
<br>
Do German, Polish, Russian, etc., have anything parallel to the English
"battle-axe" for a certain kind of woman?<br>
<br>
--David T<br>
<br>
Fritz Goerling wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span
style="font-size: 14pt;">Dear Hayim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Thanks for
your explanation of the Slavic
ideal woman. I am familiar with the Hebrew ideal. I just wonder why you
say “Hebrew
ideal woman”. Does Proverbs 31:10-30 not talk about the ideal “wife”?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">I am
surprised to hear that in Russian, if
a husband is “under the boot” of his wife, that is *not* negative.
In German we make many jokes about such a marriage, about both spouses,
but
especially about the man. In <st1:place w:st="on">West Africa</st1:place>
where
I have worked for about 25 years, a good wife is a submissive one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">As you talk
about criteria of
attractiveness of women in a fairly generalized way, here is one
criterion
about the attractiveness of men which I have heard widely in West
Africa: “No
matter how ugly a man is, what counts is that he has a full wallet.”;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Le Chaim,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Fritz,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">This is usually positive description of woman
who knows how to
appeciate herself and who would fulfill her goals even if they are
difficult. This is a Slavic ideal of a woman in difference, let say, to
Hebrew
ideal woman (diligent, industrious [read laborious] and wise) as it
described in Proverbs 31:10-30, even there there is verse 17, where it
is said,
"She girds herself with strength and performs her tasks with vigor"
and in verse 25 "She is clothed with strength and splendor." In the
verse 30 it is said that beauty and grace are rather not important,
because they are deceptive and illusory, which older people know that
this is
true. However most of men, both Hebrew [read Jewish] or Gentiles, are
attracted to beautiful women rather than the industrious or wise
ones. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">For bossy woman, who rules over her husband
in Russian there is an
idiom ! that was already cited by my Polish colleague. They say in
Russian
"On u neyo pod sapogom", i.e. he is under her boot. This is also not
negative. This is just a frequent situation recurrent when a woman has
stronger
mind or character than her husband. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Hayim Y. Sheynin<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Fritz
Goerling
<Fritz_Goerling@<wbr>sil.org></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><O></O>Is
this <i><span style="font-style: italic;">boy baba</span></i> a
positive or negative term? ‘Strong’
and ‘bossy’ do not go together for me. A ‘strong
woman’ sounds positive to me, while ‘bossy’ does not. So if
this <i><span style="font-style: italic;">boy baba </span></i>is not
a
‘Kampfhenne’ (= fighting hen), a German term for a ‘malicious
woman with a fierce temper; a vixen’, what is it?<O></O></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"><O></O><O></O>Another idiom describing a very
strong and bossy woman in
Russian is "boy baba" (here is boy not like in English 'boy', and not
Tom boy girl, but 'a battle', and there is non-idiomatic parallel to
this
expression 'boevaya zhenstchina" ) so the literary meaning can be
translated approximately as 'warrior woman'. This is a metafor and has
nothing
to do with war or battle.<br>
<br>
Hayim Y. Sheynin<br>
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<O></O>! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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