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<div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi David.<br><br>Thanks for your response and question. You are correct, 'a' in the sentences is better glossed as PROG than as copula. Blame sloppiness and laziness for that one. While it is best to gloss it PROG for clarity it should be noted that they are probably both from the same source historically.<br><br>Joseph<br><div> </div>-----------------------------------------------------------<br>CURRENT MAILING ADDRESS<br><br>Joseph T. Farquharson, BA Hon. (UWI), M.Phil. (Cantab.) <br>Department of Linguistics <br>Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology<br>Deutscher Platz 6, <br>D-04103, Leipzig<br>Germany<br><br>tel ++49- (0) 341-3550-326<br>fax ++49- (0) 341-3550-333<br>e-mail: farquharson@eva.mpg.de<br><span>URL: <a target="_blank"
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<div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">Thank you for adding the interesting
Jamaican Creole examples, where illnesses or problems are personified. I have a
question for you.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">You gloss "a" in the Jamaican as COP,
which I take to mean the copula. Is that not the same form as the progressive
apect marker, and can't it go before an active verb? Couldn't Jamaican <em>a
kil</em> be analyzed as 'PROG kill'?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">-- David Frank</font></div>
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glossing of Cheyenne idiom?</div>
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<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;">Not
Cheyenne, but for what it is worth you might want to know that in Jamaican
Creole to express extreme cases of illnesses and other thing affecting
the human body you can personify the illness/problem:<br><br>Di fluu lik/nak
mi dong (DET flu lick/knock me down)<br><br>Di fiiva lik mi dong (DET fever
lick me down)<br><br>Hongri a kil mi. (hunger COP kill me)<br><br>Pien a bos
mi shot (pain COP burst my shirt)<br><br>And if it is any consolation to those
who fear personified illnesses, you can also say:<br><br>Haspital pik im op
(hospital pick him up)<br><br>But this is a situation that you would rather
avoid<br><br>Joseph<br>
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MAILING ADDRESS<br><br>Joseph T. Farquharson, BA Hon. (UWI), M.Phil. (Cantab.)
<br>Department of Linguistics <br>Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary
Anthropology<br>Deutscher Platz 6, <br>D-04103, Leipzig<br>Germany<br><br>tel
++49- (0) 341-3550-326<br>fax ++49- (0) 341-3550-333<br>e-mail:
farquharson@ eva.mpg.de<br><span>URL: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/staff/farquharson/index.htm">http://www.eva. mpg.de/lingua/ staff/farquharso n/index.htm</a></span><br><br>AFFILIATION<br><br>Ph.D.
candidate<br>Department of Language, Linguistics &
Philosophy<br>University of the West Indies<br>Mona campus, Kingston
7<br>Jamaica<br><br>tel 1-876-970-2950<br>fax 1-876-970-2949<br>e-mail:
joseph.farquharson@ uwimona.edu. jm
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<rtroike@email. arizona.edu><br>To: lexicographylist
<lexicographylist@ yahoogroups. com><br>Sent: Monday, 19 March, 2007
9:00:46 PM<br>Subject: [Lexicog] Morphological glossing of Cheyenne
idiom?<br><br>
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<p><br>Wayne,<br><br>After the storm of discussion regarding social attitudes
toward women<br>unleashed in the aftermath of your original inquiry, I'm still
interested<br>to know the morphological analysis of the Cheyenne expression
for catching<br>a bad cold. What signals that Cold is being personified? (In
Navajo I know<br>that this would not normally be possible, because of the
animacy hierarchy,<br>but Navajo speakers do play with the grammatical
constraints. )<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Rudy<br>-------<br>Rudy
Troike<br><br>------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
-<br>I enjoy learning new idioms in any language. Yesterday I heard a
new<br>Cheyenne idiom:<br><br>Náma'xene'enéseha He'haévêháne. 'I came
down with a bad cold.'<br>[lit. Cold<br>(personified) beat me up
bad.]<br><br>Wayne<br>-----<br>Wayne
Leman<br><br></p></div></div><br></div></div><br>
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