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Fritz,<br><br>I think, Hercules is good example, at least in English and Russian, I do not know if he is proverbial in other languages. I understand your suggestion of Penelope (she is all what you said indeed), but it seems that she didn't rise to the level of Xanthippe or Hercules in popular usage.<br>There is a parallel to Hercules - Gargantua (maybe it is Gargantois?) from<br>G. et Panagruel by Rables, also Martin Eaden from Jack London's book and maybe several characters of Moliere, John Falstaff and Shylock of Shakespeare.<br>In Russian language there are several proverbial names taken from the works of Fonvizin (von Wizin), Griboedov, Gogol, Saltykov-Stchedrin and Chekhov. (Prostakova [stupid, ignorant lady], Svinyin, [idiot squire] Scalozub [epidemy of conservatism and cretinism], Manilov [fruitless dreamer], Nozdryov [opposite to comme il faut], Sabakevich [owner of manor of heavy type, likes big and
strong things and suspects that everybody deceives him], Korobochka (resourceful mistress of the house), Derzhimorda, Unter Prishibeev(tipes of brute policeman) Each of these name describe a large negative category of people. <br>Also from the time of sentimentalism one of characters of a novelette by Karamzin (Poor Liza) describe a category of abandoned brides.<br>There is entire gallery of characters in Russian literature of the 19th cent. that<br>illustrates the idea of "unnessessary people." They are people who received good education, had all opportunity of employment or independent creative work, but on different reasons do not contribute anything. One of this characters Oblomov is a proverbial figure for "far niente"(Ital.). The person lays on the coach and does nothing. (This is not depression).<br>Don Juan (philander), Salieri (sounds bad in Russian, as enemy of the genius and bad composer). Paganini is proverbial for violin virtuoso. Savonarola, Macchiavelli are
also describing categories. Jesuite in Russian describe a negative type of person (not necessary connected to religion) <br>There is a name for the critic who criticizes harshly any work of art and literature whatever its merits (Zoil, probably taken from Greek culture), Herodot is a proverbial historian, Cicero is a proverbial orator, Caesar is a type of person that can perform several acts contemporaneously. In American English name MacKey describes probably a strong and decisive macho type. There is expression, "he is real MacKey"(I am not sure in spelling, this could be McKay)<br>Of course there are much more such names, but it is enough for one email message. The title or profession "doctor" (one who knows everything). <br>In Israel there is a name for one who changed his political party. I forgot his name (it seems to me, Korodo), but this was the first time when it occurred in the country. This Korodo wasn't important politician. But when
Moshe Dayyan did<br>the same, everybody cited the case of Korodo as the type. They even invented term Korodism for this type of behavior. <br><br>Hayim Sheynin<br><br><b><i>Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <!-- Network content --> </div><div class="Section1"> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id="ygrp-msg"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">Hayim,<o></o></span></font></div> <div><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span
style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">How about a Penelope figure,</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> </span></font><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: black;">a faithful wife who waits patiently for her husband to return? On the male side: someone is a Hercules. <o></o></span></font></div> <div><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz<o></o></span></font></div> <div><st1><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Hayim Sheynin</span></font></st1><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> asked: <o></o></span></font></div> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> What other names of wives of famous men can be a characteristic of a category?<br> <br> Hayim<br> <br> <b><i><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Fritz Goerling
<Fritz_Goerling@<wbr>sil.org></span></i></b> wrote:<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o></o></span></font></span></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 1.5pt solid rgb(16, 16, 255);"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">In some languages the names of wives of famous men have entered the language<o></o></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">to characterize a certain kind of woman: like Xanthippe (Socrates’wife) is used in English and German.<o></o></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font><o></o></div> </div> <div> <div
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