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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yes – thanks for this. The \sn does
succeed in keeping the multiple glosses separated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color:windowtext'> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Kim Blewett<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, March 26, 2007 11:20
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lexicog] how to
compile data on proto-language reconstruction</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#003333" face="Comic Sans MS"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Hi Allan,<br>
<br>
How about if you use \sn 1, \sn 2 etc under each \se with more than one gloss?
Sorry, I'm tied up today and can't test it before sending this suggestion, but
it seems it ought to work.<br>
<br>
Kim<br>
</span></font><br>
Allan Johnson wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Ok, I did some testing on these suggestions. I ran into a problem
with the way MDF handles glosses. It allows only one gloss in a subentry. If
more than one gloss per subentry appears in the data, Lexique Pro concatenates
them in the display. <o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>The way this proto-language data is structured, it needs to be able
to use the gloss as a level of the hierarchy, so that under one “\se
attested form” there can be more than one “\ge English
gloss”, each with its own list of source languages. But MDF/Lexique Pro
doesn’t allow this. Here’s a sample entry:<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>\lx *abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge to travel with<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \se abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge wedding attendant<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \xv AB<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge to travel together at sea, in separate boats<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \xv NS.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \xv CS.2-3<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \xv NB.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \se abayan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge fleet<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \xv CS.2<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>What MDF/Lexique Pro does with this where there is more than one
gloss in a subentry, is collect together the glosses and display them together like
this:<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>*abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> to travel with<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> wedding attendant; to travel together at sea, in
separate boats<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> AB<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> NS.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> CS.2-3<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> NB.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abayan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> fleet<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> CS.2<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>That’s not good. Some information has been lost. What I would
need it to do is to let each gloss remain associated with its own list of
source language abbreviations, like this:<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>*abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> to travel with<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> wedding attendant<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> AB<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> to travel together at sea, in separate boats<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> NS.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> CS.2-3<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> NB.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abayan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> fleet<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> CS.2<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>So it seems that I do need to put the glosses somewhere else other
than in the \ge fields. They need to be in a field that is treated as a level
of the hierarchy. For now, I do have a way to handle it that seems to display
OK in Lexique Pro. If I represent it as follows:<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>\lx *abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ps to travel with<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \se abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ps wedding attendant<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge AB<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ps to travel together at sea, in separate boats<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge NS.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge CS.2-3<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge NB.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \se abayan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ps fleet<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> \ge CS.2<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Then it displays like this:<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'>*abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> to travel with<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abay<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> wedding attendant<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> AB<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> to travel together at sea, in separate boats<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> NS.1; CS.2-3; NB.1<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> abayan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> fleet<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=red face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:red'> CS.2<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>But as I mentioned in my previous note, this use of \ps feels like
a bit of an abuse of the MDF standard.<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Yes, it would be good to have a standardized way to handle this
kind of data. I guess the place to start would be to collect together various
examples of such data. Are there other examples? I have no idea whether what
I’m looking at is typical for proto-language data. I guess it’s a
rather rare type of data compared to MDF-type dictionaries. <o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>It might not be too difficult to tweak the MDF CC tables to tell it
not to concatenate glosses, and to incorporate whatever other tweaks would be needed.
But it would also be necessary to have similar adjustments made in Lexique Pro.
I wouldn’t want to mess with this unless we really had something that a
number of people could make good use of.<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Allan<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><font size=3
color="#003333" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com
[<a href="mailto:lexicograph">mailto:lexicograph</a><wbr>ylist@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of <st1></span></b>Ron Moe</st1><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 23, 2007 2:30
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Lexicog] how to
compile data on proto-language reconstruction</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#003333" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o> </o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>Allan,<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>It looks like the structure of your comparative dictionary is
nearly the same as the MDF entry-subentry format (with the addition of language
names):<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>\lx Proto-form<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>\ge English gloss<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>
\se Attested form<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>
\ge English gloss<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>
\ex Language name (any vernacular field would do)<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>It would be nice if we had a standardized format for comparative
dictionaries similar to MDF. It wouldn’t take much to produce one by
modified MDF.<o></o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><st1><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'>Ron Moe</span></font></st1><o:p></o:p></p>
<o></o>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
color:blue'><o> </o></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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color="#003333" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1>lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1>
[mailto:<st1>lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Johnson<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 22, 2007
1:32 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1>lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</st1><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] how to compile
data on proto-language reconstruction</span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 color="#003333" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o> </o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Hi all,<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>I’m trying to help a colleague get a collection of Proto language
data into a format that could be posted on a website. We have it in a Toolbox
format and I’d like to export it to HTML from Lexique Pro. The format is
a lot like a dictionary but enough different that I’m running into
trouble. A typical entry goes something like this:<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>Proto-form<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> English gloss<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Attested form<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> English gloss<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name
(abbreviation for a language/dialect area which attests this form and meaning)<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> English gloss<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Attested form<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> English gloss<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'> Language name <o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'><o> </o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>The only way I’ve found to make this work with Toolbox / Lexique
Pro is to put the English gloss in the \ps field and the language abbreviations
in the \ge field. But this feels like a major abuse of the system. Do any of
you know of a format that’s really meant for this kind of data?<o></o></span></font><o></o><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 color="#003333" face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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