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<div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Ken & Mike: I would mark it as an interjection, if you’re following the eight parts of speech. In a reference work it could be put in the category of “notes” or “background” or “pronunciation” or “rhetorical type”. Interestingly, speaking of “Roof, roof!” as you did, it <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">sounds</I> a little like two of Ariel’s songs in <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">The Tempest</I></B> 1.2.377-389; 399-407 (Signet Edition) that uses a lot of reduplicative devices: including onomatopoeism, rhyme, alliteration, and assonance (and doggie-speak). Note the coinages attributed to Shakespeare in the passages (“<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><U>watchdogs</U></I>” (385) & “<I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><U>a sea change</U></I>” (404)) </FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ariel’s song</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Come unto these yellow sands, </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And then take hands. </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Curtsied when you have and <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">kissed <o:p></o:p></I></B></FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The wild saves whist</I></B>,
</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Foot it <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">featly</I></B> here and there;</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And, sweet sprites, <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">the burden bear</I></B>. </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hark, hark!</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Burden, dispersedly<U>.</U></I></B> Bow, wow!</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The watchdogs bark. </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Burden, dispersedly<U>.</U></I></B> Bow, wow!</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hark, hark! I hear </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The strain of strutting chanticleer </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Cry cock-a-diddle-dow.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Signet)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></div> <div
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></I></B></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Kissed…whist**</I></B> when you have, through the harmony of kissing in the dance, kissed the wild waves into silence (?) when you have kissed in the dance, the wild waves being silenced (?)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Signet) </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Whist </I></B>= being hushed<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>(<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Riverside</st1:place>) <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">||</B> silent, quiet, hushed<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(C.T. Onions)</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Featly </I></B>= nimbly<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Riverside</st1:place></st1:City>) || with graceful agility; nimbly<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(C.T. Onions) </FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">the burden bear </I></B>= bear the burden, i.e. the bass undersong.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>(<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Riverside</st1:place></st1:City>)</FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Burden, dispersedly.</I></B>= an undersong, coming from all parts of the stage; it imitates the barking of dogs and perhaps at the end of the crowing of a cock<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Signet) <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The Tempest</SPAN></I></B> 1.02.399-407 </FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"><FONT face="Courier New"> </FONT></SPAN></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Ariel's song.</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Courier New"> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Full <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">fathom</I></B> five thy father lies;</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Of his bones are coral made;</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Those are pearls that were his eyes;</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Nothing of him that doth fade</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But doth suffer a sea change </FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Into something rich and strange. </FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Sea nymphs hourly ring his knell:</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Burden. Ding-dong.</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hark! Now I hear them -- ding-dong bell.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(Signetg)</FONT></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Courier New"> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Courier New"> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoPlainText style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>fadom (Riverside Edition) = fathom (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Riverside</st1:City></st1:place>)</FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Onomatopoeia, of course, falls within the general category of linguistics, with the Oxford American Dictionary’s definition of ‘phonology’:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>1) the branch of linguistics that deals with systems of sounds (including or excluding phonetics), esp. in a particular language.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>2) the system of relationships among the speech sounds that constitute the fundamental components of a language. Ken, I think the answer to your question depends on the type of reference work you’re dealing with, and the depth of information you wish to include in it. </FONT></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></div> <div class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in
0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Scott Nelson </FONT></div><BR><BR><B><I>Kenneth Keyes <ken_keyes@sil.org></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><!-- Network content --> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Dear Scott, </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I discussed it with my colleague, and he suggested that we treat onomatopoeia as
an etymological note. Perhaps derivation </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>would also be a possibility. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>In Turkic, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>onomatopoeitic verbs are formed from onomopoeitic particles, such as 'tars' "the sound of a heavy object falling", either<BR>with a light verb 'tars-tars et' or with a verbalizing suffix -ylda 'tarsilda-' "to make the sound of something heavy falling" .</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There are also nouns, adjectives and adverbs which can be derived
from these particles. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=878374214-15052007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks, Ken</FONT></SPAN> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com [mailto:lexicograph<WBR>ylist@yahoogroup<WBR>s.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Scott Nelson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:46 PM<BR><B>To:</B> lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com<BR><B>Cc:</B> bolstar1@yahoo.<WBR>com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Onomatopoeia<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV id=ygrp-text> <div> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New">Dear Ken K. </FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> The meaning, or 'category, of onomatopoeia is straight-forward -- sounding like the meaning - but the occurrences
have interesting twists and flavors. </SPAN>Encarta lists ‘buzz’ as an example of onomatopoeia – imitating the sound of the action. On background, Shakespeare had coined the term ‘buzzer’ (noun form), but he’d used it to refer to people who were gossips (the Oxford American Dictionary attributing the root word to the Middle English term “busse” -- imitation – hence Shakespeare’s “imitators” or “copyers” of what they’d heard). But the suggestion (in Shakey’s use of the term -- assumably) refers not only to the literal meaning, but to the “buzz” that is created in the immediate environment of gossiping – akin to bees buzzing, or muted, hushed whispers about “Did you hear about…”. <SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><O><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT></O></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN>Hamlet 4.5.89-95</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier
New"><SPAN> </SPAN>…Her brother is in secret come from <ST1><ST1>France</ST1></ST1>,</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>Feeds on his <B><I>wonder</I></B>, keeps himself in clouds,<SPAN> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN>And wants not <B><I>buzzers</I></B> to infect his ear</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN>With pestilent speeches of his father's death, </FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FON><SPAN> </SPAN>Wherein necessity, <B><I>of matter beggared</I></B>,</DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN><B><I>Will nothing stick our person to arraign</I></B></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN>
</SPAN>In ear and ear.<SPAN> </SPAN>(Signet)</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN> <BR>Others may have another angle on the "category" of onomatopoeia. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New"><SPAN>Good luck, Scott Nelson</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><SPAN><FONT face="Courier New"> </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New">** <B><I>wonder, keeps himself in clouds</I></B> = suspicion in clouds = i.e. in cloudy surmise and suspicion (rather than the light of fact) (Riverside)</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Co!
urier New">** <B><I>wants not buzzers</I></B> = does not lack talebearers (Signet) </FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">** <B><I>of matter beg</I></B></SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><B><I>gar'd
</I></B><SPAN> </SPAN>= <SPAN> </SPAN>destitute of facts (<ST1><ST1>Riverside</ST1></ST1>)</FONT></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New">** <B><I>buzzers</I></B> = whispering informers </FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoPlainText><FONT face="Courier New">** <B><I>Will nothing stick</I></B> will not hesitate (Signet)<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>** <B><I>nothing stick our person to arraign</I></B> = scruple not at all to charge me with</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN> </SPAN>the crimes (<ST1><ST1>River side</ST1></ST1>) </SPAN></DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Kenneth Keyes <ken_keyes@sil.<WBR>org></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Dear all, <BR><BR>Does anyone have suggestions as to how to
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