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I must admit that Linsengericht sounds better than a mess of pottage.<br><br>The scapegoat was apparently coined by Tyndale. I presume we can trust the OED on that.<br><br>Regards and good night.<br><br>Margaret<br><br><div>
<span class="gmail_quote">On 5/20/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Fritz Goerling</b> <<a href="mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org">Fritz_Goerling@sil.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Hi, Margaret,</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"></span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">You are a good debater. There were other
translations into German before Luther, but Luther's imposed itself. Many of
the words he coined were copied by later German translators of the Bible (also "Linsengericht").
And there are as many translations of the Bible in German as there are in
English. I am sure even coinages and expressions from the fairly literal King
James version have "made it" into everyday speech in English.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">"Sündenbock" (in English "scapegoat") is
an especially good word creation by Luther. I dare to say "scapegoat" is also a
good one.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Which translator coined it? William Tyndale
or John Wycliffe? Do you or anyone on the list have the answer?</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Best wishes,</span></font></p>
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<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz</span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Hi Fritz,<br>
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<p><span><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 5/20/07, <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Fritz
Goerling</span></b> <<a href="mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Fritz_Goerling@sil.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font></span></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Margaret,</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> </span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Luther's influence in enriching the German
language should not be overestimated but not underestimated either.</span></font></p>
<p><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">As you know German, here are a just a few
examples from Luther's coinages of new words and reinterpetations of words:</span></font></p>
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<p><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold;">Wortsch</span></font></b><b><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span style="font-weight: bold;">�</span></font>pfungen</b>
Luthers: Gnadenbild, -lehre, Gottesbild, - liebe, Glaubenskampf, Glaubenssache,
S<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span>�</span></font>ndenbock,
Feuereifer, Linsengericht, Hochmut, Wohlgefallen, Bubest<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span>�</span></font>ck,
Machtwort, nacheifern, geistreich; Stein des Ansto<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span>�</span></font>es, ein Dorn im Auge,
durch die Finger sehen, Wer anderen eine Grube ....</p>
<p><b><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-weight: bold;">Neubedeutungen</span></font></b>: Beruf, Bu<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span>�</span></font>e,
fromm, gerecht, entr<font face="Arial Unicode MS"><span>�</span></font>stet, anfahren ("heftig ansprechen)"</p>
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I must admit that I was not thinking of Luther's effect on Christian and
Biblical language, but on the German language in general. I am sure you are
right about these terms. The fact that Luther created the German versions of
Biblical sayings, such as einem anderen eine Grube graben does go without
saying. But did he really create 'Linsengericht'? Surely as long as there are
Linsen and Gerichte, someone else would have done it? <br>
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Regards<br>
Margaret</span></font></p>
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