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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Wayne,</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I am all for including a word or phrase
that is no longer used, recognized, or translatable. In Fletcher and La
Flesche's "The Omaha Tribe" lists of personal clan names, many
are glossed as "meaning uncertain" or similarly. </font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">And yet today there are community members
carrying those names although they cannot offer an English gloss or Native
language interpretation.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">TOOLBOX has numerous fields. Perhaps
designate one for just such terms. Or make comments about where the term
was encountered, when, and in what context in a NOTES field.</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Better to err on the side of conserving
all words than to select out the "unknowns" from the resources
of future students of the language, enit?</font>
<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Mark</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D.<br>
http://omahalanguage.unl.edu</font>
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<td width=40%><font size=1 face="sans-serif"><b>"Wayne Leman"
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<p><font size=1 face="sans-serif">06/04/2007 06:29 PM</font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">[Lexicog] endangered entries for
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<br><font size=3>I assume that a number of us subscribed to this list study
endangered <br>
languages. I do. I'm continuing work with Cheyenne speakers to bring greater
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accuracy to our dictionary entries. Occasionally we encounter a form which
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was used sometime in the past but no longer is. Sometimes it is no longer
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even recognized by any current speakers. Sometimes speakers can pronounce
a <br>
word but no longer know what it means. This is especially true of some
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proper names. Sometimes we don't know for sure exactly how to spell parts
of <br>
a word. It may have been recorded in an informal way by a soldier or a
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frontiersman.<br>
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Unless significant social changes occur, Cheyenne will no longer be a viable
<br>
language 30 or so years from now. But Cheyennes value having had their
<br>
language recorded and likely will value it in the future, just as members
of <br>
tribes in California value having had some of their, now extinct, language
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recorded in the past.<br>
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Might any of you have recommendations for entering lexical forms for which
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we have little certainty today since they are no longer recognized by any
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speakers. We could simply create dictionaries of extant forms. We could
do <br>
that for English, but we would be missing a wealth of archaic forms which
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were used at one time in English. It seems to me that when we have some
kind <br>
of records, however inadequate, that some forms were extant at one time,
but <br>
no longer are, that there is value in including them in a dictionary.<br>
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What do you all think?<br>
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Wayne<br>
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