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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:black'>Bill,</span></font><font size=4><span
style='font-size:14.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I can’t answer your question. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am only skeptical towards language
engineering from above (in the name of ideologies, like the attempted change of
address forms by Italian fascism under Mussolini) or by democratization.
Whether a pronoun of power or one of solidarity disappears (for a while or
altogether or is reinstated) does not change the fact that power relations will
continue to exist. The fact that modern English does not use pronouns of power
and solidarity, as other European languages do, does not mean that the power
differential is done away by the simple use of “you.” While some
European languages have sociolinguistic rituals (mentioned in this discussion) to
initiate intimacy by dropping the polite pronoun, in English you have other
rituals like “Just call me Jack” (instead of Mr., Dr. etc.). I have
observed though that this step is taken very much faster in anglophone
countries, especially in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>.
That is of interest to me. In northern <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
 w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region></st1:place> you have “to eat a
sack of salt” together with someone, i.e. spend a lot of time with
someone on a social level, before you drop the “Sie” (the polite
form) in favor of the intimate form “Du”. But then you have won a
friend for life. In southern <st1:country-region w:st="on">Germany</st1:country-region>
(especially <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Bavaria</st1:State></st1:place>)
things go quicker. Especially at the Oktoberfest …<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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<p><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The other
aspect of the tu/usted distinction about which I am<br>
curious, and which I don't think anyone has touched on, is how<br>
it arose in the first place. Neither Latin nor (ancient) Greek<br>
had such a distinction (that is, it was just a singular/plural<br>
distinction, without any connotations of intimacy or power), nor<br>
is there any reason to think that there was such a distinction<br>
in early Germanic, Baltic, or Slavic. Somehow the majority of<br>
European languages developed this kind of distinction in the<br>
Middle Ages. Why?<br>
<br>
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