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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Hayim --</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>If something like <U>dédiquer</U> was
indeed a French word during the colonial period (that is, around the 18th
Century), then it would make sense that that French word could have been the
basis for the French Creole word <U>dédiké</U>. <U>Dédiquer</U> is not a word in
Modern French, but those of us who try to figure out why creole langauges are
the way they are have to realize that they are based on an older and perhaps
dialectal form of French, English, etc., rather than on the modern
languages.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>A couple of similar words in French
Creole that I can't find as such in French dictionaries include
<U>hayisans</U> 'hatred' (obviously related to an older form of French
<U>ha<FONT size=2>ïr</FONT></U> where the <U>h</U> was pronounced) and
<U>bwavté</U> 'bravery' (obviously related to French <U>brave</U>). Since creole
langauges are supposed to be essentially devoid of morphology, the question of
interest to creolists is whether these words are based on French nominal forms
or whether they reflect productive morphological processes in St. Lucian
Creole.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>By the way, I looked at our <U>Kwéyòl
Dictionary</U> again and realized that we do have <U>dédiké</U> listed as an
adjective after all, meaning 'dedicated'. We don't have it listed as a noun, but
following the normal pattern it could be used as a noun meaning "one who is
dedicated."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>-- David Frank</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=hsheynin19444@yahoo.com href="mailto:hsheynin19444@yahoo.com">Hayim
Sheynin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog]
mentee/mentoree</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear David,<BR><BR>dedico, -avi, -atum, -are is well documented
verb in classical Latin. I didn't check, but I am almost sure that use of this
word is continued in vulgar Latin and from there came into English and some
other European languages. There is a large number of Engish derivatives from
this verb and from other Latin words of the same base dedica-/dedicat- and and
among them dedicator and dedicatee.<BR><BR>Hayim Sheynin<BR><BR><B><I>David
Frank <david_frank@sil.org></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#000000 size=2>Actually,
<U>dediquee</U> is a good St. Lucian French Creole word, though we spell it
<U>dédiké</U>. It is listed in our dictionary as a verb meaning 'to
dedicate,' but following the pattern of French Creole verbs, it could be
used as an adjective or a noun as well, meaning '(one who is) dedicated.' We
had a problem with this French Creole word in terms of finding the source,
though, because it does not seem to be based on a French word that I have
been able to find. The French verb is <U>dédier</U>. So the French Creole
word seems to be a frenchified version of the English word "dedicate." I
just got back from a conference in Amsterdam where I talked about the
problems of pinpointing the origins of certain St. Lucian words like this.
(Hi, Joseph Farquharson.<WBR>)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#000000 size=2>In this recent
discussion, I don't think anyone has mentioned the obvious fact that the
<U>-ee</U> words are based on the pattern of the feminine form of the past
participle of French verbs. For example there is French <U>employer</U> 'to
employ' with the past tense form <U>employé</U> 'employed' doubling as a
masculine adjectival form and <U>employée</U> as the feminine
adjectival form. The corresponding French noun is
<U>employeur</U></FONT><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2><FONT
color=#000000>, from which we evidently get English
"employer."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000>We can
expect to have some <U>-ee</U> words that don't have a <U>-er</U> or
<U>-or</U> counterpart, such as "divorcee" or "amputee." On the other hand,
I checked an unabridged dictionary just now and did find "divorcer" listed
as "one who divorces."</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000000>-- David
Frank</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=david_tuggy@sil.org href="mailto:david_tuggy@sil.org">David
Tuggy</A> </DIV>
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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 PM</DIV>
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Re: [Lexicog] mentee/mentoree</DIV>
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<DIV>-ee spawns oddities, it seems to me. Two others I have enjoyed, and
seen in fairly high-falutin’ publications, are baptee (=one who has been
baptized) and dediquee.<BR><BR>--David Tuggy</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" color=#000000
size=2></FONT><BR><BR>Benjamin Barrett wrote: </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid46829A71.9050001@ix.netcom.com type="cite"><PRE wrap="">The normal formation is to add -er/-or to get the person doing it and <BR>add -ee to the receiver of the action. So employ-> employer, employee, <BR>address -> addresser, addressee. There isn't a verb for mentor, but <BR>using back formation you get: mentor <- ment and then ment -> mentee. BB<BR></PRE><PRE wrap="">Fritz Goerling wrote:</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I discussed with David Frank, an SIL colleague on this list, whether <BR>”mentee” or “mentoree” is more common.</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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