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Dear David,<br><br>dedico, -avi, -atum, -are is well documented verb in classical Latin. I didn't check, but I am almost sure that use of this word is continued in vulgar Latin and from there came into English and some other European languages. There is a large number of Engish derivatives from this verb and from other Latin words of the same base dedica-/dedicat- and and among them dedicator and dedicatee.<br><br>Hayim Sheynin<br><br><b><i>David Frank <david_frank@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> </div><div><font color="#000000" face="Arial Unicode MS"
size="2">Actually, <u>dediquee</u> is a good St. Lucian French Creole word, though we spell it <u>dédiké</u>. It is listed in our dictionary as a verb meaning 'to dedicate,' but following the pattern of French Creole verbs, it could be used as an adjective or a noun as well, meaning '(one who is) dedicated.' We had a problem with this French Creole word in terms of finding the source, though, because it does not seem to be based on a French word that I have been able to find. The French verb is <u>dédier</u>. So the French Creole word seems to be a frenchified version of the English word "dedicate." I just got back from a conference in Amsterdam where I talked about the problems of pinpointing the origins of certain St. Lucian words like this. (Hi, Joseph Farquharson.<wbr>)</font></div> <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">In this recent discussion, I don't
think anyone has mentioned the obvious fact that the <u>-ee</u> words are based on the pattern of the feminine form of the past participle of French verbs. For example there is French <u>employer</u> 'to employ' with the past tense form <u>employé</u> 'employed' doubling as a masculine adjectival form and <u>employée</u> as the feminine adjectival form. The corresponding French noun is <u>employeur</u></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000">, from which we evidently get English "employer."</font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000"></font></font></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000">We can expect to have some <u>-ee</u> words that don't have a <u>-er</u> or <u>-or</u> counterpart, such as "divorcee" or "amputee." On the other hand, I checked an unabridged dictionary just now and did find "divorcer" listed as "one who
divorces."</font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000"></font></font></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000">-- David Frank</font></font></font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS"><font size="2"><font color="#000000"> </font></font></font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch:
normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="david_tuggy@sil.org" href="mailto:david_tuggy@sil.org">David Tuggy</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:58 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lexicog] mentee/mentoree</div> <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial Unicode MS"
size="2"></font><br></div> <div>-ee spawns oddities, it seems to me. Two others I have enjoyed, and seen in fairly high-falutin’ publications, are baptee (=one who has been baptized) and dediquee.<br><br>--David Tuggy</div> <div><font color="#000000" face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font><br><br>Benjamin Barrett wrote: </div> <blockquote cite="mid46829A71.9050001@ix.netcom.com" type="cite"><pre wrap="">The normal formation is to add -er/-or to get the person doing it and <br>add -ee to the receiver of the action. So employ-> employer, employee, <br>address -> addresser, addressee. There isn't a verb for mentor, but <br>using back formation you get: mentor <- ment and then ment -> mentee. BB<br><br>Fritz Goerling wrote:</pre> <blockquote type="cite"><pre wrap="">I discussed with David Frank, an SIL colleague on this list, whether <br>”mentee” or “mentoree” is more common.</pre></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <div></div> </div>
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