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Mike Maxwell wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'm confused by a couple things here (and a lot of things elsewhere in
the world).
John Roberts wrote:
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<pre wrap="">However, according to Urdang (1982) its current usage has expanded
beyond these beginnings. Now it has (at least) the following senses:
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<pre wrap="">2. 'A person or persons that are recipients of the result of an action':
/amputee/, /biographee/, /selectee/.
3. 'A person furnished with' the thing named by the combining root:
/custodee/, /patentee/, /mortgagee/.
Senses 1, 2 and 4 are based on the semantic properties of the verb from
which the /-ee/ form is derived and sense 3 is based on the thing named
by the combining root.
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Is 'biographee' incorrectly categorized? I don't know of any verb
related to 'biography'. (One might question whether 'patentee' and
'mortgagee' are correctly categorized, or whether they in fact relate to
the verb, but these cases are less clear, and might have dual sources in
some sense anyway.)
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I assume the 'action' for biographee is 'write a biography'. The
biographer is the one who writes the biography and the biographee is
the one whom the biography is about. But I am not clear how the
biographee is the recipient of the action - more like the beneficiary -
but that would depend on the biography, wouldn't it?<br>
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<pre wrap="">But Chris Barker's semantic analysis (see below)
only seems to take into account the senses that can be related to verbs.
The formation of /-ee/ nouns systematically adheres to three essentially
semantic constraints:
first, the referent of an /-ee/ noun must be sentient;
second, the denotation of an /-ee/ noun must be episodically linked (as
defined below) to the denotation of its stem;
and third, a use of an /-ee/ noun entails a relative lack of volitional
control on the part of its referent.
(39) A derived noun N is EPISODICALLY LINKED to its stem S iff for every
stage </x, e/> in the stage set of N, /e/ is a member of the set of
events that characterizes S.
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I don't see anything in this semantic analysis that refers to verbs??
The defn in (39) refers to a stem of undefined category, and stages and
events. Can't nouns denote events that have stages?
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You are right. Nouns can denote events. So "biograph" denotes the event
of writing a biography and this includes a biographer and a biographee
as necessary sentient participants in the event. <br>
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But that still doesn't help us with the derivation below because "ment"
is neither a noun or a verb and consequently doesn't name an event. Yet
it is apparently more popular than "mentoree".<br>
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<pre wrap="">-or form BACKFORM -ee form
mentor (n) -> ment (v) -> mentee (n)
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