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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>Russian "karaimy" would
be analagous to "cherubims" in English, wouldn't it?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>I have to confess that I didn't know
the English word "hector" and I didn't know that "mentor" came from a
character in the Iliad. "Hector" seems to be similar to "heckle" and "heckler"
but with a different etymology.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>I suspect most native English speakers
can sense that the <U>-ee</U> suffix comes from French even as they now use it
in new and creative ways. But I realize, as John Roberts pointed out, that what
we were discussing was not the <U>-ee</U> suffix itself so much as what it
attaches to. You don't have to know the sources -- much less be faithful to them
-- to be able to coin a new word like "mentee." But I think that word is going
to have to be used a lot more before it starts to feel to us like a legitimate
English word, since "ment" doesn't mean anything in itself.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>In a way "mentoree" would make more
sense than "mentee" especially if you know the source of the word "mentor" and
think of it as a single morpheme. But using that logic, a person who does
mentoring would be a mentoror.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>-- David Frank</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=hsheynin19444@yahoo.com href="mailto:hsheynin19444@yahoo.com">Hayim
Sheynin</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 29, 2007 1:21 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Lexicog] Mentor and Hector
- and derivations (was: mentee/mentoree)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The double derivations for the same concept (=meaning, sense)
exist on the wider scale when an original affix is not taken in account or is
not perceived as<BR>such. For example, a name of person who is a member of a
particular Jewish sect in Hebrew is Qara'i (Karaite), Heb. pl. Qara'im (the
last syllable is stressed).<BR>Russian language accepted the plural form as if
it is sg. Therefore for plural<BR>form the Russians add an extra suffix -y. So
Karaites in Russian is Karaimy.<BR>But this pattern is samewhat hectic, even I
didn't want to sound mentoring.<BR><BR><B><I>Fritz Goerling
<Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>It is
interesting</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT e="Arial" fac!> that from
both heroes</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>, Mentor and
Hector,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT face=Arial>of
Homer</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>’</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>s Iliad,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT
face=Arial>verbs are derived in English,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>“</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>to mentor</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>
and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT face=Arial>“</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>to hector</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT face=Arial>How come that
there are</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT face=Arial>further
derivations like</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> <FONT
face=Arial>“</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>mentorees/mentees</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>”</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>but no</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
lang=en-us> <FONT face=Arial>“</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT
face=Arial>hectorees/hectees?</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-us> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN lang=en-us><FONT face=Arial>Fritz
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