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Fritz -<br><br>So as I understand you agree with my points, and the word congenial doesn't change much. <br><br>Greetings,<br><br>Hayim<br><br><b><i>Fritz Goerling <Fritz_Goerling@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> <!-- Network content --> </div><div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: black;">Hayim,</span></font><font size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt;"><o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Let me comment on a few of your points. <o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Fritz<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">The statement was made:<o></o></span></font></div> <div
class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><<Shakespeare</span> is better in German translation.>><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o></o></span></font></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;">Hayim responded:<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> Let me share some thoughts relating to this generalization.<br> <font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><</span></font><br> 5. Do <span
style="cursor: pointer;" id="lw_1183219840_7">Shakespeare'<wbr>s witticisms and phraseology sound better in translation?<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o></o></span></font></span></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Witticisms and puns can very rarely be reproduced. It is always better to read<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> the author in the original. In a translation one can add a footnote explaining<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"
size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> a pun in order not to lose the effect.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> 6. Can anybody state that KJV of the Bible or German Luther's translation<br> or any other translation of the Bible be better than Hebrew original.<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o></o></span></font></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Of course, not. Translators of the Bible should know the original languages.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black"
face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> A model is <st1>St. Jerome</st1>, responsible for the Vulgata, who settled down in <st1><st1>Jerusalem</st1></st1>.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> 7. Can anybody state that any translation of a classical work (I mean <br> one written in classical Greek or ancient Latin) </span>be better than the original?<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> <o></o></span></font></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> Never, but a translation can be “kongenial” ( I
don’t know how to translate<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> the German word into English because “congenial” seems to be a false friend;<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> maybe “ideally matched”). An example would be the late Hans Wollschläger’s<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> legendary translation of James Joyce’s “Ulysses” into German.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br> 8. There are many excellent translations from
language A to language B,<br> and how laudable they can be they never are going to be equal to the<br> original.<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"><o></o></span></font></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial; color: black;"> At best “kongenial.”<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;"><</span></font><br> Hayim Sheynin <br> <br> <br> <o></o></div> </div> <!--End group email --><div></div> </div>
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