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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
14.0pt'>Sorry, Scott, the NT was not derived from Greek but written in
Greek.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Sometimes the Greek shows a Hebrew substratum.
The New Testament was <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>not translated from Greek either but
written in Greek. Paul is more known as the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>apostle to the Gentiles.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Fritz Goerling<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hayim, I liked your points, point by point. <br>
I'm a little confused though about your reference to the Bible <br>
translation. The New Testament needs differentiation from the Old <br>
Testament. The New Testament was derived from Greek, not Hebrew. It <br>
was clumped together with the Old Testament, into what modern <br>
Christians call "The Bible." Hebrew (Aramaic language), with Hebrew <br>
writing being the source text of the Old Testament (written and <br>
spoken by Hebrews) -- was copied, text for text, point by point, <br>
iota by iota........<wbr>from generation to generation -- assumably from <br>
the hand of Moses himself. <br>
But the New Testament, largely written by Paul the Apostle to <br>
Greek cities and Greek Christians, was translated from Greek. <br>
<br>
Scott Nelson<br>
<br>
<a href="mailto:lexicographylist%40yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>,
Hayim Sheynin <hsheynin19444@<wbr>...> <br>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> <<Shakespeare is better in German translation.<wbr>>><br>
> <br>
> Let me share some thoughts relating to this generalization.<br>
> 1. For whom Shakespeare is better in German translation? It is<br>
> clearly for the people who know German better than English.<br>
> 2. Can you imagine that somebody knows a second language<br>
> better than his native language (mother's tongue)?<br>
> 3. Is this generalization relates to a feeling of a scholar <br>
(philologist,<br>
> linguist, literary scholar) or an impression of a common reader.<br>
> 4. Are in German literary references of Shakespeare and his sources<br>
> are better understood?<br>
> 5. Do Shakespeare'<wbr>s witticisms and phraseology sound better in <br>
translation?<br>
> 6. Can anybody state that KJV of the Bible or German Luther's <br>
translation<br>
> or any other translation of the Bible be better than Hebrew <br>
original.<br>
> 7. Can anybody state that any translation of a classical work (I <br>
mean <br>
> one written in classical Greek or ancient Latin) be better than the <br>
original?<br>
> 8. There are many excellent translations from language A to <br>
language B,<br>
> and how laudable they can be they never are going to be equal to the<br>
> original.<br>
> 9. If somebody who tried his hand in translation can confirm the <br>
statement <br>
> above, it would be interesting to analyze this.<br>
> However taking in account all the aspects of translation it is very <br>
difficult<br>
> to accept this opinion.<br>
> <br>
> Hayim Sheynin <br>
> <br>
> bolstar1 <bolstar1@..<wbr>.> wrote: <br>
Bill: Now I'm chuckling over your point about Shakespeare reading <br>
> better in German than in English(I know it wasn't your own <br>
statement, <br>
> but it was just so darn cute.) This would be an example of the use <br>
of, <br>
> for lack of a better term, hyperbolic hyperbole. I have always <br>
thought <br>
> it a waste of time, personally, to have read through all of 'War <br>
and <br>
> Peace' -- you know, that tidbit of a book by Leo-the-Sparse -- <br>
without <br>
> enjoying Leo's rhetorical genius (Oh, what I must have missed in <br>
the <br>
> translation.<wbr>) Leo T.quaintly once said of Shakespeare,
""The works <br>
of <br>
> Shakespeare, borrowed as they are, and externally, like mosaics, <br>
> artificially fitted together piecemeal from bits invented for the <br>
> occasion, have nothing whatever in common with art and poetry." <br>
> Granted, Tolstoy may have been in a temporary stupor, or maybe <br>
his <br>
> wife had spilled hot coffee on his pants that morning, or perhaps <br>
he <br>
> didn't read a German translation of Shakespeare.<wbr>.....but whatever <br>
the <br>
> reason, he may be in on the theory that Shakespeare wasn't such a <br>
hot <br>
> literary number as he is purported to be. I'd like to see more <br>
proof of <br>
> this though. <br>
> <br>
> Scott Nelson<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> --- In <a href="mailto:lexicographylist%40yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>,
billposer@ wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I have been told by people whose knowledge of both<br>
> > Shakespeare and German is better than my own that<br>
> > Shakespeare is better in German translation.<br>
> > It seems odd that anything would be better in translation,<br>
> > but I suppose that the English of Shakespeare is sufficiently<br>
> > different from Modern English that this may be like saying<br>
> > that Shakespeare is better in Modern German translation than<br>
> > in Modern English translation, which is not so implausible.<br>
> > <br>
> > Bill<br>
> ><br>
> <br>
> <br>
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