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<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>This is a very interesting
philosophical question, whether a translation can be better than an original.
The reason it is so interesting is that in answering the question, some premises
might have to be stated that might have been left unstated
otherwise.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>It seems to me that if it is
absolutely impossible for a translation to be better than the original, you are
saying that the primary virtue of a translation is its faithfulness to the
original. That is, to the extent that it is not faithful to the original, to
that same extent it is not legitimate somehow. Would you say that that is the
case for every kind of translation? Can you really say that, for example,
Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet in German cannot be better (in any way?)
than Shakespeare's original in English? Is it really disqualified from being
better, or it rather a question for research to see if it is
better?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>We don't want to try to answer these
questions on the Lexicography List, but there may be a different place where
such issues can be discussed. I appreciate Bill Poser for bringing up a
though-provoking idea.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2>-- David Frank</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Fritz_Goerling@sil.org href="mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org">Fritz
Goerling</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:33
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Lexicog] When Semantics
Doesn't Matter</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS"
size=2></FONT><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: black">Hayim,</SPAN></FONT><FONT size=4><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Let me comment on a
few of your points. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fritz<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The statement was
made:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><<Shakespeare</SPAN> is better in German
translation.>><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hayim
responded:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><FONT
face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><BR>Let me share some thoughts relating
to this generalization.<BR><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><</SPAN></FONT><BR>5. Do <SPAN id=lw_1183219840_7
style="CURSOR: pointer">Shakespeare'<WBR>s witticisms and phraseology sound
better in translation?<FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Witticisms and puns can very rarely be reproduced. It is always better to
read<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
the author in the original. In a translation one can add a footnote
explaining<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
a pun in order not to lose the effect.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><BR>6. Can
anybody state that KJV of the Bible or German Luther's translation<BR>or any
other translation of the Bible be better than Hebrew original.<FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Of course, not. Translators of the Bible should know the original
languages.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
A model is <st1:City w:st="on">St. Jerome</st1:City>, responsible for the
Vulgata, who settled down in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Jerusalem</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><BR>7. Can
anybody state that any translation of a classical work (I mean <BR>one written
in classical Greek or ancient Latin) </SPAN>be better than the original?<FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
Never, but a translation can be “kongenial” ( I don’t know how to
translate<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
the German word into English because “congenial” seems to be a false
friend;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
maybe “ideally matched”). An example would be the late Hans
Wollschläger’s<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
legendary translation of James Joyce’s “Ulysses” into
German.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT face="Arial Unicode MS" size=2></FONT><BR>8.
There are many excellent translations from language A to language B,<BR>and
how laudable they can be they never are going to be equal to
the<BR>original.<FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
At best “kongenial.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT><BR>Hayim
Sheynin</P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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