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Dear David and Fritz,<br><br>If anything, I intended that the original of some parts (like four synoptic Gospels<br>and Acts) of the NT could be or might be written in Palestinian Aramaic, perhaps Galilean dialect. I know that most of the theologians today are convinced that<br>so called Q-text (a prototypal source of the NT) was written in Greek. But nobody saw this Q-text, and it seems to me logical that it could be written in<br>the original language of Jesus Christ and his disciples. Until the earliest text found, my suggestion must remain as a suggestion. If the original text had be<br>written in Greek, I cannot understand an animosity of earlier Rabbis who saw<br>the Christian teaching as very harmful for Rabbinic Judaism. The Jews of Rabbinic period (i.e. Hellenistic and Roman periods) did not have easy access to Greek writings. If they knew Greek, this was a street language. It is true for Palestine, but it is different for Alexandria and North African
Jewish settlements. <br>Necessities of life pushed Greek words into Hebrew and Aramaic as loanwords,<br>however it is not a proof of Palestinian Jews' proficiency in Greek.<br><br>Hayim Sheynin <br><br><b><i>David Frank <david_frank@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <!-- Network content --> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div> </div><div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">Fritz --</font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">I think what Scott meant was that the New Testament as most people know it today -- i.e. in translation -- is derived
from the Greek (original). I understood his point to be that while the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic, the New Testament was originally written in Greek.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">Hayim had an interesting theory that what we call the New Testament may have originally been written in Hebrew. That is an intriguing idea, but as far as I know it is just a theory or speculation, though as you said, Fritz, there is sometimes evidence of a Hebrew substratum. As we have been discussing idiomatic phrases, I understand that "son(s) of" as in "sons of thunder," "son of perdition," etc. is a Hebrew idiom that was carried over literally into the Greek New Testament scriptures. But you know this better than I do, Fritz.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">I
have sometimes said something similar to what Hayim said. I have pointed out that the Greek New Testament scriptures were a translation in themselves, in that the words of Jesus and his followers would have been uttered in Aramaic but written down in Greek. Except for those few cases that Hayim mentioned where the Aramaic utterances were transliterated rather than translated.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2">-- your friend and colleague David Frank</font></div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font> </div> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%;
-moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="Fritz_Goerling@sil.org" href="mailto:Fritz_Goerling@sil.org">Fritz Goerling</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:40 PM</div> <div
style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Lexicog] Re: When Semantics Doesn't Matter</div> <div><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font><font face="Arial Unicode MS" size="2"></font><br></div> <div class="Section1"> <div class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Sorry, Scott, the NT was not derived from Greek but written in Greek.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Sometimes the Greek shows a Hebrew substratum. The New Testament was <o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">not translated from Greek either but written in Greek. Paul is more known as the<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">apostle to the Gentiles.<o></o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><o> </o></span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;">Fritz Goerling</span></font></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; font-family: Arial;"><o></o></span></font> </div> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id="ygrp-msg"> <div id="ygrp-text"> <div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">Hayim, I liked your points, point by point. <br>I'm a little confused though about your reference to the Bible <br>translation. The New Testament needs differentiation from the Old <br>Testament. The New Testament was derived from Greek, not Hebrew. It <br>was clumped together with the Old Testament, into what modern <br>Christians call "The Bible." Hebrew (Aramaic language), with Hebrew <br>writing being the source text of the Old Testament (written and <br>spoken by Hebrews) -- was copied, text for text, point by point, <br>iota by iota........<wbr>from generation to generation -- assumably from <br>the hand of Moses himself. <br>But the New Testament, largely written by Paul the Apostle to <br>Greek cities and Greek Christians, was translated from Greek. <br><br>Scott Nelson</span></font><font color="white" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color:
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