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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>I don’t know for sure since I don’t
do interlinearizing, but I would be surprised if TB sees <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>kaboo</span></i> and <i><span style='font-style:italic'>kaboo
and happy</span></i> as the same word. I would think TB would see the \se as
the same as an \lx. Unless the text actually has the whole phrase <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>kaboo and happy</span></i>, then TB would not think
that <i><span style='font-style:italic'>kaboo</span></i> was <i><span
style='font-style:italic'>kaboo and happy</span></i>; so only the \ge for kaboo
would come up. Does someone know if Kim is right about that?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>Kim, If you are not using the \ge fields
for a bunch of entries, then I hope you are using the reversal fields. If not,
none of the entries where you only have \de will come out in your reversed
finder list. That is to say, none of the entries with only \de filled in will
be in your index. TB only uses \ge and \re to make the index. You might have a
problem on your hands if you were hoping to have fully indexed entries.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>As far as how to handle idioms, I would
check national dictionaries to see how they do it. Lots of dictionaries just
list an idiom as a part of speech. It is not called a noun or a noun phrase or
any of that; it is just listed as an idiom. That may make some people shudder,
but I think it is a practical solution. If you want to do it that way, then
also list a \ps under your \se and call it \ps idiom.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>Crockett<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kim Blewett<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 19, 2008
7:06 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [] Re: [Lexicog] question
about markers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Comic Sans MS"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Comic Sans MS"'>Just a comment here about the use of \ge vs \de. If you plan
to use Toolbox to produce interlinearized glossed texts, you should normally
use \de under \se "Subentry" rather than \ge. In the case below, each
time "kaboo" is encountered in a text, the interlinearizer will ask
you to choose between 'normal meaning' and 'stoned,' since it sees two \ge
fields in this record. If you instead enter the meaning of the \se phrase as
"\de stoned", Toolbox interlinear will ignore this when glossing. <br>
<br>
I believe that if you want TB interlinear to recognize and automatically gloss
"kaboo and happy" as 'stoned', you need to enter the phrase as a
separate record under \lx (interlinear ignores \se). TB is not really very
adept at automatically glossing phrases, however, and if you have any
morphology so that the exact phrase string is variable it won't work at all.<br>
<br>
So my habit is to use \de for all definitions EXCEPT those that I want the
interlinearizer to recognize. In other words, I believe that \ge, \a, and \u
are markers specifically designed for the interlinearizer rather than for
dictionaries. The MDF formatter does, however, pull in \ge for a dictionary
entry if the record contains no \de, thus saving us from entering single-word
definitions twice for each entry.<br>
<br>
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here...<br>
Kim Blewett<br>
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<a href="mailto:Neal_Brinneman@sil.org">Neal_Brinneman@sil.org</a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>/lx kaboo<br>
/ps n<br>
/ge stoned<br>
<br>
but how am I to handle the rest?<br>
<br>
\lx kaboo<br>
<br>
\ps n<br>
<br>
\ge normal meaning for kaboo<br>
<br>
\se kaboo and happy<br>
<br>
\ge stoned<br>
<br>
Neal<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.ncbrinneman.com">http://www.ncbrinneman.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=white face="Times New Roman"><span
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