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<font size="-1"><font face="Comic Sans MS">Thanks for your comments, I
guess I didn't explain
myself well enough. I do interlinearizing in TB, and this has been my
experience, though I haven't done much with more recent versions of TB,
which is why I added a disclaimer at the end of my posting--the
behavior might have changed. Here's a clarification on Crockett's first
two
paragraphs below (I can't seem to insert text between his paragraphs).<br>
<br>
TB's interlinearizer doesn't know what to do with a \se field, it just
ignores it. So in the case of Neal's suggestion to Dimitris, TB finds
two \ge lines underneath the \lx kaboo. TB will parse "kaboo and happy"
as three separate words. It will ask which gloss (normal or stoned) you
want to insert
under this instance of kaboo. If you WANT TB to gloss "kabo and
happy" as an idiom meaning 'stoned' you must create another record
like this:<br>
<br>
\lx kabo and happy<br>
\ps idiom (or whatever...)<br>
\ge stoned<br>
<br>
I didn't say I'm not using \ge for a bunch of entries; I said I don't
use it under \se. But I admit I'd forgotten about the reversal feature.
Does the reversed finder list include \se fields? My guess is that it
doesn't, but if so, and if the \re field will work for the finder
list, I would recommend that people add it instead of \ge to get their
subentries reversed, because \ge under \se really does cause problems
when interlinearizing.<br>
<br>
Kim <br>
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Crockett wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"
size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);">I don’t
know for sure since I don’t
do interlinearizing, but I would be surprised if TB sees <i><span
style="font-style: italic;">kaboo</span></i> and <i><span
style="font-style: italic;">kaboo
and happy</span></i> as the same word. I would think TB would see the
\se as
the same as an \lx. Unless the text actually has the whole phrase <i><span
style="font-style: italic;">kaboo and happy</span></i>, then TB would
not think
that <i><span style="font-style: italic;">kaboo</span></i> was <i><span
style="font-style: italic;">kaboo and happy</span></i>; so only the
\ge for kaboo
would come up. Does someone know if Kim is right about that?<o></o></span></font></p>
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size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);"><o> </o></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"
size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);">Kim, If
you are not using the \ge fields
for a bunch of entries, then I hope you are using the reversal fields.
If not,
none of the entries where you only have \de will come out in your
reversed
finder list. That is to say, none of the entries with only \de filled
in will
be in your index. TB only uses \ge and \re to make the index. You might
have a
problem on your hands if you were hoping to have fully indexed entries.<o></o></span></font></p>
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size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);"><o> </o></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"
size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);">As far
as how to handle idioms, I would
check national dictionaries to see how they do it. Lots of dictionaries
just
list an idiom as a part of speech. It is not called a noun or a noun
phrase or
any of that; it is just listed as an idiom. That may make some people
shudder,
but I think it is a practical solution. If you want to do it that way,
then
also list a \ps under your \se and call it \ps idiom.<o></o></span></font></p>
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size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);"><o> </o></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"
size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);">Crockett<o></o></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"
size="4"><span style="font-size: 14pt; color: rgb(0, 32, 96);"><o> </o></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font
face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">
lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:lexicograph">mailto:lexicograph</a><wbr>ylist@yahoogroup<wbr>s.com]
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Kim
Blewett<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March
19, 2008
7:06 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
lexicographylist@<wbr>yahoogroups.<wbr>com<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [] Re:
[Lexicog] question
about markers<o></o></span></font></p>
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<p><font face="Comic Sans MS" size="2"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS";">Just a comment
here about the use of \ge vs \de. If you plan
to use Toolbox to produce interlinearized glossed texts, you should
normally
use \de under \se "Subentry" rather than \ge. In the case below, each
time "kaboo" is encountered in a text, the interlinearizer will ask
you to choose between 'normal meaning' and 'stoned,' since it sees two
\ge
fields in this record. If you instead enter the meaning of the \se
phrase as
"\de stoned", Toolbox interlinear will ignore this when glossing. <br>
<br>
I believe that if you want TB interlinear to recognize and
automatically gloss
"kaboo and happy" as 'stoned', you need to enter the phrase as a
separate record under \lx (interlinear ignores \se). TB is not really
very
adept at automatically glossing phrases, however, and if you have any
morphology so that the exact phrase string is variable it won't work at
all.<br>
<br>
So my habit is to use \de for all definitions EXCEPT those that I want
the
interlinearizer to recognize. In other words, I believe that \ge, \a,
and \u
are markers specifically designed for the interlinearizer rather than
for
dictionaries. The MDF formatter does, however, pull in \ge for a
dictionary
entry if the record contains no \de, thus saving us from entering
single-word
definitions twice for each entry.<br>
<br>
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here...<br>
Kim Blewett<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Neal_Brinneman@sil.org">Neal_Brinneman@<wbr>sil.org</a>
wrote: <o></o></p>
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<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size: 12pt;">/lx kaboo<br>
/ps n<br>
/ge stoned<br>
<br>
but how am I to handle the rest?<br>
<br>
\lx kaboo<br>
<br>
\ps n<br>
<br>
\ge normal meaning for kaboo<br>
<br>
\se kaboo and happy<br>
<br>
\ge stoned<br>
<br>
Neal<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ncbrinneman.com">http://www.ncbrinne<wbr>man.com</a><o></o></span></font></p>
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