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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>One reason I put “to” in the
reversal fields is based on what comes out in the display program I use. I use
Lexique Pro to display my data on the computer and the web. Neither English
index of my language (the one for the computer display or the one for the web) can
display the part of speech (that I can see anyway). Having “to” in
the index helps the user to know if an entry in the index is a noun or a verb.
Otherwise, there is no way to know that without first clicking on the index
entry. Wouldn’t this be good to have in the index? Maybe it isn’t
needed, but I thought it would be good to have.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>Before leaving “to” off, I
would make sure your display program does do what you want it to do and that
you are happy with what is displayed. And I could be missing something in
Lexique Pro that would allow me to display the part of speech in the indexes. I
haven’t found it, though.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'>Crockett<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:14.0pt;color:#002060'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Crockett<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 27, 2008
4:48 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Lexicog] Making
verbs alphabetize correctly in an English to Karuk finderlist<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>How about something like this?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\ge get_sick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\re sick (to get)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\de to get sick</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\ge be_exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\re exhausted (to be)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\de to be exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\ge be_completely_exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\re exhausted (to be completely)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\de to be completely exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>If you want, you could also include something like \re be
completely exhausted (to) in the index, in case someone will look up the verb
under “be...” The record would then be</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\ge be_completely_exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\re exhausted (to be completely) ; be completely exhausted (to)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\de to be completely exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>And if you really want to cover all your bases, you could do
this:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\ge be_completely_exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\re exhausted (to be completely) ; be completely exhausted (to)
; completely exhausted (to be)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>\de to be completely exhausted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>You haven’t even added synonyms yet of exhausted into the
\re field, e.g., to be wiped out, to be dead tired, but you might not want to
go that far.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'>Crockett</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=4 color="#002060" face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;
color:#002060'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Susan Gehr<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 26, 2008
10:08 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [] [Lexicog] Making verbs
alphabetize correctly in an English to Karuk finderlist</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
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<p><font size=1 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>I’m
working on the second edition of the Karuk Dictionary, and one of the
suggestions that came out of the Karuk Dictionary Advisory Group was to address
the clump of verbs that is stuck in the “be ___” section of the
English-Karuk finderlist.<br>
<br>
We’re using Shoebox for Mac, though once I get my license for Office 2003
for Windows, we’re moving over to Toolbox for Windows. <br>
<br>
I knew how to avoid clumping verbs at the “to _____” section of the
English-Karuk, so the verb “bend” is between “Ben
Wilder” and “beneath”.<br>
<br>
But I wasn’t sure what to do with verbs that translate as “be
____”, such as “be a year” “be exhausted”
“be completely exhausted” “be sober”, “be
thin” and “be very thin” “be sick” and “get
sick”<br>
<br>
What would you do with those verbs?<br>
<br>
What would you put in the \ge \re and \de fields?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
-- <br>
Susan Gehr<br>
Karuk Language Program Director<br>
Karuk Tribe of California<br>
PO Box 1016, Happy Camp, CA 96039<br>
(800) 505-2785 x2205 NEW FAX # (530) 493-1658<br>
<br>
Karuk Language Resources on the Web - <a href="http://www.karuk.org/">http://www.karuk.org/</a><br>
Karuk Section of William Bright's Site - <a
href="http://ncidc.org/bright/karuk.html">http://ncidc.org/bright/karuk.html</a><br>
Karuk Dictionary - <a href="http://dictionary.karuk.org/">http://dictionary.karuk.org/</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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