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am familiar with the IDD software and I would not recommend it. </SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">It
doesn't do half the things that Toolbox can do, both in regard to database
issues and export. </SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">And
it is not flexible at all.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Justin
below says that "it's a big and complicated program as far as editing is
concerned, with maybe twenty or more tables associated with each
entry."</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">I
can't but agree with this statement. To create an entry the user has to go
through a large number of dialog boxes which can only be reached via mouse (not
keyboard) and fill the data in those boxes. In Toolbox, on the other hand, one
can create an entry using a single keystroke and fill it in by simply typing.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">At
the same time I am aware there are programs that are more user-friendly and
easier to learn than Toolbox, such as LexiPro, but I don't think IDD is one of
them.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:43
PM<BR><B>To:</B> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Lexicog]
ANOTHER OPTION<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=4>I thought that I would share another option
for Dictionary software programs specific for indigenous languages. I
personally am acquainted with Doug Parks and Raymond Demallie at Indiana
University, and the high quality of their expertise and materials.
I thought the Lexi-group would be interested in part, of the discussion I have
recently had with the Kaw (Kansa) Nation Language Program Director.
He states: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The program we have been using to develop the
expanded Kaw dictionary is the Indiana Dictionary Database, from the American
Indian Studies Research Institute at Indiana University (<A
href="mhtml:{F35F5EBF-401E-471A-88FC-D2C5039D5CFF}mid://00000016/!x-usc:http://www.indiana.edu/~aisri/projects/idd/idd.shtml">http://www.indiana.<WBR>edu/~aisri/<WBR>projects/<WBR>idd/idd.shtml</A>).
It's a big and complicated program as far as editing is concerned, with maybe
twenty or more tables associated with each
entry. The on-board search engine is the best way
to navigate through it, but there is also a "combo screen" view that
allows you to browse through the entries at a glance, either from English
to Kaw or Kaw to English. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That said, anytime we feel the database is
"full enough" to fill some need in the community, we can export all the
material into other formats for the purpose of producing a simpler user's
dictionary. We did one of those last summer. It's a very
bare-bones English to Kaw dictionary book file. You can download
the .pdf at <A
href="mhtml:{F35F5EBF-401E-471A-88FC-D2C5039D5CFF}mid://00000016/!x-usc:http://www.kawnation.com/WebKanza/LangResources/nglshknzdctnry.pdf">http://www.kawnatio<WBR>n.com/WebKanza/<WBR>LangResources/<WBR>nglshknzdctnry.<WBR>pdf</A>.
I think most entries in this version have the English entry, any related Kaw
glosses, and grammatical class (part of speech), and that's it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Later) the examples and paradigmatic
forms, we'll print another version that will offer more information, and will
be searchable by ANY word that happens to appear anywhere in the entry
form. So, let's say you know the word kóⁿbla, but can't remember that
it's the 1st Singular/ "I" form of the verb góⁿya, 'to want.' You'll be
able to search for kóⁿbla, and it will turn up as a paradigmatic form for
góⁿya under the English entry 'want.'</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think this is the crux of the discussion you
sent: Editing and use are separate considerations. I think if
you're using a special program like IDD, Shoebox/Toolbox, or D-Base , then
you're really working on the editing side, and you'll have very different
concerns and approaches than the end users of the product will
have. You may in fact need to worry about special parsers and
inflectional/ derivational concerns from time to time, as the discussion
participants brought up. You'll need to worry about back-and-forth
indexing, repeated/ redundant entries, integrity of parallel entry
forms, etc. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>End users, on the other hand, will
probably want something that looks like every other dictionary on the
planet: A book. Even if you're planning on producing an eBook with all
the searching benefits, I would wager that the end users will think of it
as just the file-version of a book, essentially an unprinted
dictionary manuscript. Their users' concerns, however, will be
addressed during the editing phase with a lot of preliminary planning and work
on the part of the editors. In my kóⁿbla example, for instance, end
users will be able to hunt down the meaning of a headword form through the
search function provided we do all the legwork well in advance of
producing the "end product" dictionary.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's my opinion, anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Justin</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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