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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=4>Jan:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=4>I am sorry then, I simply
did not know. I do know that Justin was influenced in the IDD selection
via Linda C, who he presently works with at Kaw under an ANA grant. It
seems she wrote the Manuel for the IDD program I understand, and is the one
who is primarily responsible for compiling their Kaw Lexicon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=4>Perhaps, you might make a
commentary for the Lex-group folks, so that others like myself who are unaware
of the maze do not devote lost time to checking into it. I also know Parks
relies on his team of IU PC Techs, and allows them to work a resolve to his
requests. I guess in this case, the techs got carried away with their
imaginary and creativeness.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=4>I suppose my lesson is to
not pass on tips and information on anything I don't know about first
hand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080
size=4>Jimm</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jfu@lakhota.org href="mailto:jfu@lakhota.org">Jan Ullrich</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Lexicog] ANOTHER
OPTION</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=421050319-13052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim,</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O></O></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am familiar with
the IDD software and I would not recommend it. </SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It doesn't do half
the things that Toolbox can do, both in regard to database issues and export.
</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And it is not
flexible at all.</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Justin below says
that "it's a big and complicated program as far as editing is concerned, with
maybe twenty or more tables associated with each entry."</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can't but agree
with this statement. To create an entry the user has to go through a large
number of dialog boxes which can only be reached via mouse (not keyboard) and
fill the data in those boxes. In Toolbox, on the other hand, one can create an
entry using a single keystroke and fill it in by simply typing.
<O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the same time I am
aware there are programs that are more user-friendly and easier to learn than
Toolbox, such as LexiPro, but I don't think IDD is one of them.</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><O></O></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=EN-US
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jan</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US><O></O></SPAN></P></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=421050319-13052008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=421050319-13052008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com
[mailto:lexicograph<WBR>ylist@yahoogroup<WBR>s.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Jimm
GoodTracks<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:43 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Lexicog]
ANOTHER OPTION<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=4>I thought that I would share another option
for Dictionary software programs specific for indigenous languages. I
personally am acquainted with Doug Parks and Raymond Demallie at Indiana
University, and the high quality of their expertise and
materials. I thought the Lexi-group would be interested in part, of
the discussion I have recently had with the Kaw (Kansa) Nation
Language Program Director. He states: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#800080 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The program we have been using to develop the
expanded Kaw dictionary is the Indiana Dictionary Database, from the
American Indian Studies Research Institute at Indiana University (<A
href="mhtml:{F35F5EBF-401E-471A-88FC-D2C5039D5CFF}mid://00000016/!x-usc:http://www.indiana.edu/~aisri/projects/idd/idd.shtml">http://www.indiana.<WBR>edu/~aisri/<WBR>projects/<WBR>idd/idd.shtml</A>).
It's a big and complicated program as far as editing is concerned, with
maybe twenty or more tables associated with each
entry. The on-board search engine is the best way
to navigate through it, but there is also a "combo screen" view
that allows you to browse through the entries at a glance, either from
English to Kaw or Kaw to English. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That said, anytime we feel the database is
"full enough" to fill some need in the community, we can export all the
material into other formats for the purpose of producing a simpler user's
dictionary. We did one of those last summer. It's a very
bare-bones English to Kaw dictionary book file. You can download
the .pdf at <A
href="mhtml:{F35F5EBF-401E-471A-88FC-D2C5039D5CFF}mid://00000016/!x-usc:http://www.kawnation.com/WebKanza/LangResources/nglshknzdctnry.pdf">http://www.kawnatio<WBR>n.com/WebKanza/<WBR>LangResources/<WBR>nglshknzdctnry.<WBR>pdf</A>.
I think most entries in this version have the English entry, any related Kaw
glosses, and grammatical class (part of speech), and that's it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Later) the examples and
paradigmatic forms, we'll print another version that will offer more
information, and will be searchable by ANY word that happens to appear
anywhere in the entry form. So, let's say you know the word kóⁿbla,
but can't remember that it's the 1st Singular/ "I" form of the verb góⁿya,
'to want.' You'll be able to search for kóⁿbla, and it will turn up as
a paradigmatic form for góⁿya under the English entry 'want.'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think this is the crux of the discussion you
sent: Editing and use are separate considerations. I think if
you're using a special program like IDD, Shoebox/Toolbox, or D-Base , then
you're really working on the editing side, and you'll have very different
concerns and approaches than the end users of the product will
have. You may in fact need to worry about special parsers
and inflectional/ derivational concerns from time to time, as the discussion
participants brought up. You'll need to worry about back-and-forth
indexing, repeated/ redundant entries, integrity of parallel entry
forms, etc. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>End users, on the other hand, will
probably want something that looks like every other dictionary on the
planet: A book. Even if you're planning on producing an eBook with all
the searching benefits, I would wager that the end users will think
of it as just the file-version of a book, essentially an
unprinted dictionary manuscript. Their users' concerns,
however, will be addressed during the editing phase with a lot of
preliminary planning and work on the part of the editors. In my kóⁿbla
example, for instance, end users will be able to hunt down the meaning of a
headword form through the search function provided we do all
the legwork well in advance of producing the "end product"
dictionary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's my opinion, anyway.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-Justin</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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