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<br><div><div>On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Mike Maxwell wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="width: 655px; position: relative; font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; "><div id="ygrp-msg" style="width: 470px; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 25px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; float: left; z-index: 1; line-height: 1.22em; "><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia; "><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 0px; ">Kenneth Keyes wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Just a quick query. Have you thought about the phrase "on me" when<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> preceded by a verb?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> ...<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> I think it must mean "without my permission", or "against my will".<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Here are some examples I thought of:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">> Don't leave *on me*.<br style="l
ine-height: 1.22em; ">> ...<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I think of it as a sort of benefactive, except that as you mention, it<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">has a negative sense--and "malefactive" doesn't sound right.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">There are of course benefactives in some dialects of English, and in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">other languages (Spanish comes to mind). For example:<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">I'm gonna get me a new car.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Here's you a biscuit for your dog.<br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em; ">Mike Maxwell<br style="line-height: 1.22em; "><a href="mailto:maxwell%40ldc.upenn.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em; ">maxwell@ldc.<wbr style="line-height: 1.22em; ">upenn.edu</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em; "></p></div></div><div style="clear: both; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 1px; line-height: 1.22em; "><br></div></div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="color: white; "></span></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-varia
nt: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span style="color: white; "></span></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div><div>FWIW, this sort of construction is often called the negative resultative for Japanese (-rareru ending) and, apparently, for Korean.</div><div><br></div><div>The verb "get" often carries this meaning in English:</div><div><br></div><div>He got robbed</div><div>He got hit by a car</div><div><br></div><div>BB</div></div><br>
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