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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Scott N. wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>“</span></font>Bye the way, don't
think that a collection of ten or twelve thousand idioms is nearly enough to
call it comprehensive. It doesn't <br>
work that way.<font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Scott, are you saying that there are more
than 12,000 idioms in English? Do you have an estimate of how many there are,
or does it not work that way? I suspect that ‘idioms’ grade off
into ‘common collocates’, but I’m not an expert on this
subject. I’ve written a few little things on the subject, but feel like I’m
in the dark. Can you enlighten us or direct us to some good books/articles on
the subject?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>bolstar1<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 19, 2008
9:19 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] On Me One More
Time</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Ken: You're welcome. I actually still us a DOS-based
program called Q&A <br>
(eleqant and simple to program. I then convert selective records to <br>
windows format when I write for public usage. It came from many years <br>
of writing on note papers that I carried around in my shirt pocket; in <br>
addition, screening about twenty idiom dictionaries, cliche <br>
dictionaries, proverb collections, allusion collections, verbal phrase <br>
collections (particularly Richard Spears); plus screening regular <br>
dictionaries (page by page -- Random House, Oxford, Merriam, etc.) <br>
copying down phrases, both idiomatic and semi-idiomatic, longhand. I've <br>
often felt like a secretary on steroids. I've done Shakespeare, too -- <br>
but that's a little different from modern-day linguistic analysis. <br>
Googling, or doing anything by programming and collecting off of <br>
the internet net for these things is, up to now and today's state-of-<br>
the-art, totally useless. I won't go into reasons here, but, I've <br>
tried, and it doesn't work for me, either. There are few shortcuts, <br>
other than pure plagiarism, to make comprehensive collections of <br>
phrases or idioms. <br>
Bye the way, don't think that a collection of ten or twelve <br>
thousand idioms is nearly enough to call it comprehensive. It doesn't <br>
work that way. Popular paperbacks may have 7,000 or 8,000, and leave <br>
out tons of them -- if for nothing else, because proverbs, aphorisms, <br>
dictums, maxims, allusions, etc. have humungous overlapping <br>
paparameters.<br>
Good luck in your work....<br>
<br>
Scott N. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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