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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>12,000 idioms may be just a drop in the bucket for
English idioms.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Leman</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
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wrote:<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“</SPAN></FONT>Bye
the way, don't think that a collection of ten or twelve thousand idioms is
nearly enough to call it comprehensive. It doesn't <BR>work that way.<FONT
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">”<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Scott, are you saying
that there are more than 12,000 idioms in English? Do you have an estimate of
how many there are, or does it not work that way? I suspect that ‘idioms’
grade off into ‘common collocates’, but I’m not an expert on this subject.
I’ve written a few little things on the subject, but feel like I’m in the
dark. Can you enlighten us or direct us to some good books/articles on the
subject?<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Moe<O></O></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ken:
You're welcome. I actually still us a DOS-based program called Q&A
<BR>(eleqant and simple to program. I then convert selective records to
<BR>windows format when I write for public usage. It came from many years
<BR>of writing on note papers that I carried around in my shirt pocket; in
<BR>addition, screening about twenty idiom dictionaries, cliche
<BR>dictionaries, proverb collections, allusion collections, verbal phrase
<BR>collections (particularly Richard Spears); plus screening regular
<BR>dictionaries (page by page -- Random House, Oxford, Merriam, etc.)
<BR>copying down phrases, both idiomatic and semi-idiomatic, longhand. I've
<BR>often felt like a secretary on steroids. I've done Shakespeare, too --
<BR>but that's a little different from modern-day linguistic analysis.
<BR>Googling, or doing anything by programming and collecting off of <BR>the
internet net for these things is, up to now and today's state-of-<BR>the-art,
totally useless. I won't go into reasons here, but, I've <BR>tried, and it
doesn't work for me, either. There are few shortcuts, <BR>other than pure
plagiarism, to make comprehensive collections of <BR>phrases or idioms.
<BR>Bye the way, don't think that a collection of ten or twelve <BR>thousand
idioms is nearly enough to call it comprehensive. It doesn't <BR>work that
way. Popular paperbacks may have 7,000 or 8,000, and leave <BR>out tons of
them -- if for nothing else, because proverbs, aphorisms, <BR>dictums, maxims,
allusions, etc. have humungous overlapping <BR>paparameters.<BR>Good luck in
your work....<BR><BR>Scott N. <O></O></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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