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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ken, there is no malefactive form in Cheyenne. Some
languages have a malefactive; others do not. I suspect that most, if not all,
language have a way of communicating malefactive meaning. Some would have to do
it with circumlocutions because there is no syntactic or lexical forms dedicated
to communicating malefactive meaning.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Dear Wayne,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=723363015-21102008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Do you know if there is a "malefactive" in
Cheyenne?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Ken</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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[mailto:lexicograph<WBR>ylist@yahoogroup<WBR>s.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Wayne
Leman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:23 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Lexicog] meaning and usage of "on me"<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>FWIW, Kenneth, this usage of "on me" is related
to its usages in sentences like:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My car broke down on me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>He gave up on me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"on me" indicates a negative impact upon someone.
It is similar in English to how the Greek dative case can indicate impact of
some action on someone.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne Leman</FONT></DIV>
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class=938365212-19102008>Dear All, </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Just a quick query. Have you thought about the
phrase "on me" when preceded by a verb? Someone recently asked me
about the meaning of "on me". He quoted Harry Truman's statement regarding
Gen. Douglas MacArthur's insubordination: "I don't want him to resign
<STRONG><U>on me</U></STRONG>, I want him fired!" What do you think of the
phrase "on me"? Is is a transitivizer? What does it
<STRONG><U>mean</U></STRONG>? This is different than its usual meaning as
preposition as in the famous "lean on me". I think it must mean "without my
permission", or "against my will". </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Here are some examples I thought of:
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Don't leave <STRONG>on
me</STRONG>.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Don't quit <STRONG>on me</STRONG>.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Don't up and marry <STRONG>on me</STRONG>.
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Don't die <STRONG>on
me</STRONG>!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>I hope he doesn't...on me. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>I'm afraid he might...on me. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=938365212-19102008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Can you think of other examples? (Just a hint,
using Google wasn't very helpful.)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=938365212-19102008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Is there a text corpus where we can specify
"any verb [any tense, any person, any number ]" followed by the phrase "on"
followed by an accusative/dative personal pronoun? How long can a phrasal
verb incorporating "on me" be?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=938365212-19102008></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>I am fascinated by this question. I hope you are
too. Many thanks in advance, </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=938365212-19102008>Ken</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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