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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Heather Souter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>“</span></font>if you were to list
some of the top online dictionaries for minority languages, what would they be?<font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>This all depends on what you mean by “online
dictionary”. If you just mean a normal dictionary that happens to be
posted on the web, then you can probably find lots of “good” ones—meaning
that they are good normal dictionaries. You could start by going to the Lexique
Pro website and looking at the list of dictionaries that have been published
using Lexique Pro. I haven’t looked closely at any of them, but suspect
that <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Wayne Leman</st1:PersonName>’s <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cheyenne</st1:place></st1:City> dictionary is excellent.
If you are interested in creative approaches to online lexicography, then there
are several attempts at innovation. Wiktionary is an attempt at community
participation, but is severely limited in what it permits. For instance as far
as I know, you can’t upload an existing dictionary. For a long time I
have been trying to set up a website where we could post dictionaries that are “in
process”. Unfortunately I’m not a web designer. My dream is that
all of us could upload our dictionaries in some standard format, allow our
language community to work on the dictionary (and/or make suggestions that
would then be accepted by an editor), and allow the public (and researchers) to
search all the dictionaries on the site. One of the best ways to get the
community involved would be to include the DDP word collection method, much as
FieldWorks Language Explorer has. This would make it fun and efficient to
develop dictionaries online. This could be done. SIL is developing a website
where people can upload a standardized wordlist (e.g. Swadesh) for a language,
which could then be compared to other word lists for historical and comparative
purposes. So the technology is there. All we need is some programmers. I’ve
got some friends and coworkers who are working on designing such a site for
lexicography. But they are in the initial stages.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>There are other innovative approaches. For
instance Visual Thesaurus has attempted to display a thesaurus entry using a “hub
and spoke” technique:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://www.visualthesaurus.com/landing/?ad=google.visualdictionary&gclid=CJLR8uPvnZgCFRYiagodDXDYng">http://www.visualthesaurus.com/landing/?ad=google.visualdictionary&gclid=CJLR8uPvnZgCFRYiagodDXDYng</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Luke Schroeder recently worked out a way
to make a dictionary available on cell phones in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Philippines</st1:country-region></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>What we don’t yet have is a group of
us who are working out what an online dictionary *<b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>could</span></b>* be. In other words, given current technology and given
what users are used to or capable of, what kind of user interface and functions
could make using a dictionary fun and informative? There is always a lag
between the development of a new technology and the creative implementation of
new processes for making use of the technology. Lexicography is so steeped in
the tradition of paper books that it is taking us a while to rethink what a
dictionary could and should be in electronic form. Our lexicography software is
still designed to help us produce traditional looking dictionaries, whether
they are published on paper or online. Off the top of my head I can think of four
ways an online dictionary could be an improvement over a paper dictionary:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>sound
files,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:blue;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>interactive
photos (e.g. you click on a part of the photo (such as a car) and the
program plays a sound file of the word),<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:blue;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>links
(or pop up boxes displaying a thesaurus entry or semantic domain) that
enable you to navigate to other related words,<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='color:blue;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><font size=2
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>search
function with “guess” mode (you type “ther” and
the program suggests “there”, “their”, or “they’re”).<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If we put our minds to it, we could
probably come up with lots of great ideas for a dictionary of the twenty-first
century.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Heather Souter<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 20, 2009
10:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lexicog] Newbie</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Taanshi, hello!<br>
<br>
What a great post! I really wanted to know similar info but just never
asked. Thank-you both for posting to the list!<br>
<br>
Here is an additional question for Ron Moe (and/or any others who would like to
respond), if you were to list some of the top online dictionaries for minority
languages, what would they be? I am especially interested if there are
any good models that are not only sound from a linguistic and archival
perspective but also for community participation in creation and end use.
<br>
<br>
If this is a touchy subject for any reason, please feel free to contact me in a
private email. Thanks!<br>
<br>
Eekoshi pitamaa. That is it for now!<br>
Heather<br>
Metis, emerging Michif-speaker, Community Linguist and Grad Student <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Ronald Moe <<a
href="mailto:ron_moe@sil.org">ron_moe@sil.<wbr>org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Dear "Newbie"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>As far as I know there
are no online classes in lexicography. I teach lexicography workshops and have
a full set of PowerPoint presentations to go with each lecture. The problem is
that there is no script to go with them. I am going to be working over the next
few weeks/months to write out the script for each lecture. I could send them to
you as I complete them.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The best background for a
lexicographer is a degree in linguistics. You would need a good all-round
program with courses in phonetics, phonology, morphology, syntax, discourse
grammar, socio-linguistics, historical linguistics, and semantics. Lexicography
draws on all of the sub-fields of linguistics. You should concentrate on
semantics and anything you can get on corpus studies.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The other thing you can
do is to read books on lexicography. I would start with the following:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Atkins, B. T. Sue, and
Michael Rundell. 2008. The <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Oxford</st1:place></st1:City>
guide to practical lexicography. <st1:City w:st="on">Oxford</st1:City>: <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Oxford</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
Press.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Fontenelle, Thierry.
2008. Practical lexicography: a reader. <st1:City w:st="on">Oxford</st1:City>: <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Oxford</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
Press.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Goddard, Cliff. 1998.
Semantic analysis: a practical introduction. <st1:City w:st="on">Oxford</st1:City>:
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Oxford</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Press.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If you are interested in
minority languages, you will also need a slightly different perspective. A good
perspective would be:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Newell, Leonard E. 1995.
Handbook on lexicography for Philippine and other languages. <st1:City w:st="on">Manila</st1:City>:
Linguistic Society of the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Philippines</st1:place></st1:country-region>.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The last thing I would
recommend is that you start investigating words. There are online text corpuses
(or more properly corpora) such as:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'><a
href="http://www.collins.co.uk/Corpus/CorpusSearch.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.collins.<wbr>co.uk/Corpus/<wbr>CorpusSearch.<wbr>aspx</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Perhaps someone else
could recommend a better site.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style='background:white'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ron Moe</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hello! I'm a new member of the group and I have a few
questions about <br>
lexicography. I'm very interested in working as a lexicographer but I <br>
have no idea how to get started. It helps that I live in the same city <br>
where Merriam-Webster is based, but I have some general questions that <br>
I hope someone can help me out with.<br>
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What are the general education requirements for a lexicographer? I have <br>
my Bachelor's in English, and also a teaching degree.<br>
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Also, are there any good online classes in lexicography? There aren't <br>
any available at the school I go to.<br>
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Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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