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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Lengosi/Paul wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>“</span></font>For now I'll probably
make some kind of 'catch-all' lexical relation for fringe relations like 'slip'
/ 'slippery'--<wbr>just to link them--and move on.<font size=2 color=blue><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Actually this is exactly what you should
do. If the two words are related in some systematic way, then by all means use
the appropriate lexical relation. But if the relation is more complex, then set
up some general cross-reference, such as “cf – Compare”. Please
don’t be confused by the ‘Cross References’ field which is on
the entry level and the ‘Lexical Relations’ field which is on the
sense level. Both use the same set of lexical relations which can be found in
the Lists area under Lexical Relations. Both produce cross-references in your
published dictionary. (I get confused just trying to explain it.)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>The system of semantic domains has three
primary purposes. The first is to group words that are similar in meaning so
that you can investigate them all at one time. The second is to include a list
of semantic domains as an appendix in your published dictionary. Each semantic
domain would list all the words that belong to the domain. The third is to
produce a thesaurus or semantically classified dictionary. A thesaurus would
just list all the words in the domain. A semantically classified dictionary
would also describe each word.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>I would highly recommend that you use the second
option instead of creating a lot of lexical relations in your dictionary. So
instead of creating the synonym set big:large:bulky:good-sized:sizable:substantial:huge:massive:enormous:colossal:giant:gigantic:mammoth
and cross-referencing each member of the set to all the other members, you
could merely point the user to the domain ‘8.2 Big’ in the
appendix, where the user would find all of these words and many more. It is
fairly easy to produce such an appendix. It is a huge amount of work to create
the same semantic network using lexical relations. So, yes, your simple
question has brought you to dictionary design philosophy. It would be good for
you to decide ahead of time what kind of dictionary you want, so that you don’t
waste a lot of time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>By the way, you would translate all the
domain labels into the vernacular. You don’t want your vernacular
dictionary referring to English domains. So instead of referring to ‘7.2.1.5.1
Slip, slide’, you would refer to ‘7.2.1.5.1 Sororo’<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>lengosi<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 29, 2009
2:03 PM<br>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Lexicog] lexical
relation</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks for your helpful response, Ron. A lot more than
I bargained on, but it certainly helped lay out the issue(s)! I'm wondering how
to apply it, though ... All I wanted was a utilitarian means of helping the
reader get from A to B; i.e., "I know /sororo/ but what was the word for
'slippery' again?!" Perhaps this has a lot to do with intended audience--I
would expect speakers of the language to know the 'pair' (and not even think
English 'slippery' when associating them)--but language learners / non-language
speaking users would not be expected to know the pair. But in my (limited)
experience, even language speaker are keen to point out related words, and it's
my feeling that this should be reflected somehow in the dictionary.<br>
<br>
At one level, just what /kind/ of relationship the words have is a not as
important as /that/ they are related--to go to the entry for /sororo/ and find
reference to /madali/ (and vice versa) is probably more helpful than not
cross-referencing them at all. But, as you pointed out, determining and
defining the relationship can be tricky, and it should have fairly wide
application to be considered useful. So I'm back to where I started--wanting to
demonstrate the relationship between the words and not quite knowing how to
represent it. I'm aware of your penchant for semantic domains ;-), but even
that has its challenges (at least in a dictionary with 'traditional'
alphabetical layout)--how does the reader connect /sororo/ with semantic
domain: 3.4.5.6 (completely made up) to /madali/ s.d.: 3.4.5.6? S.d. 3.4.5.6 is
probably opaque to most dictionary readers ... Suddenly what I thought was a
simple question has brought me to dictionary design philosophy! :-0<br>
<br>
For now I'll probably make some kind of 'catch-all' lexical relation for fringe
relations like 'slip' / 'slippery'--<wbr>just to link them--and move on. Perhaps
I can come back to this some day when I have more time and energy to spend on
it. :-/<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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