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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Naomi Keith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>“</span></font>should pronunciation
field be a phonemic or a phonetic representation?<font color=blue><span
style='color:blue'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>This depends on whether your orthography is
phonemic or not. It also depends on how well the orthography represents
phonemic contrasts and suprasegmentals such as tone and stress. It also depends
on your target audience. A speaker of the language will probably not benefit
from a phonetic representation and would probably be confused by it. But he
might find it interesting. A language learner would probably benefit from a phonetic
representation. However a user will only benefit if he knows the script. For
instance IPA is becoming better known, but may still not be known by many of
your users.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Naomi Keith wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>“</span></font>is there a case for
including both a phonemic and a phonetic representation in a database?<font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'>”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Yes. Each would be used for different
purposes. You might want one for analysis and the other for inclusion in your
published dictionary.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>It is possible to generate either a
phonemic or phonetic representation using a CC table or other kind of
converter. You can do this outside of Toolbox using another program like CC. I
have a CC table that I use for this purpose. You can do it inside of FLEx using
the Bulk Edit-Process tab. So it isn’t hard to do. You might have to make
some changes by hand. For instance you might have to add stress if it isn’t
predictable and isn’t marked in the orthography.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>You should also be aware that pronunciation
variants are usually handled in the pronunciation field. For instance the
English word ‘either’ has one spelling but two pronunciations
[idhr] and [ajdhr].<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>naomikei2003<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, May 06, 2009 9:06
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] Phonetic or
phonemic representation in the pronunciation field</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>I am fairly new in the world of lexicography, and I
have a couple of questions about the pronunciation field. We are working with a
language in the southern <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Philippines</st1:place></st1:country-region>,
and there is a large existing database for the language. We are presently using
the lexicography program Toolbox in our dictionary project, although we may
change to FLEx. My questions are:<br>
<br>
1. should pronunciation field be a phonemic or a phonetic representation?<br>
2. is there a case for including both a phonemic and a phonetic representation
in a database?<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
Naomi Keith<br>
SIL <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Philippines</st1:place></st1:country-region><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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