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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ron asked:</font>
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<p><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman">This is good, but I’ve
got two questions. (1) Did this exercise just deal with the physical universe?
(2) Was there any indication that the lexicon was not hierarchically organized?
Put another way, could each category be subdivided into smaller and smaller
categories? (I think of a hierarchy as being essentially two dimensional.)
Or was there evidence that it was more like a multi-dimensional network?</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Ron, Amazingly I was still able to find
those pages from 1963. (1) What I see was primarily related to the physical
universe since that was where we started and didn't stick with it long
enough to get into the more abstract. However, I do see a few things like
Grandfather earth and Grandfather sky that we would not consider physical.
It's not entirely two dimensional since there was often a third, e.g.,
across from a list of birds you find 'feather' and 'wing', across from
musical instruments you find the verb for playing each, across from traps
you find certain characteristics, such as the trigger for spring it. </font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">We were trying to encourage emic thinking,
whether hierarchical or multi-dimensional network, although the hierarchical
was predominant. In a section called 'feelings', I notice 'laziness', which
I would think of as more characteristic, but I should take note of the
fact that he put it under feelings.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I find a letter from Dot Thomas to Sandy
that has some interesting insights. They had started with a Mansaka Thesaurus
in the Philippines: "We agree with you, Roget is a work of absolute
genius, but not much help on any other language. As we worked along in
the Philippines (!) we developed a few principles, but the most helpful
one doesn't much help here (very few affixes in Chrau), namely, that if
the title of a section was an affixed work, it probably wasn't an emic
division. The only thing left is the satisfaction of knowing that words
are falling pretty obviously into a category - that usually means something
good. Too much cross-filing is automatically suspect. </font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">"As far as the list of unidenfified
entries, we had a whopper of a list the first time, and I still remember
the name of the page 23. 23 synonymous with 'miscellaneous', but after
we had gone through the dictionary once and got some help from a thesaurously-inclinded
informant, we were able to reorganize fairly easily. And since the3re is
no such thing as a nice emic alphabet for thesarouses, I think the best
one can hope for is a minimum of reorganizing."</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Although we started with 'world and sky'
in order to give Cubuat free reign in further divisions, the result of
the Thomas's experimentation started with the following three points:</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">1. Family...relationships<br>
2. Social Interaction...sociableness, giving & receiving, verbal interaction<br>
3. Mental & Psychological...desire, know, possibility, fear, happiness,
diligence, carefulness, fierce, angry, disorderly.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">A few years later, Ken Smith came up
with a thesaurus outline that he thought was appropriate for mass produced
thesauri. He mimeographed it with probably a couple thousand words: English
- Vietnamese - ___________. He also included extra blanks at the
end of each section for additions brought to mind. He distributed
them for all who wished to fill them in. This was very convenient and the
outline seemed appropriate enough, based on our experience in VN, so many
of us gave them to informants to fill in during spare time and many were
published, either in hard copy or in microfiche in 1975. I just looked
at the Rade copy, done entirely by a Rade man and containing 3,100 entries.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I bring this up to emphasize the tension
between a many year project of searching the emic minds of speakers versus
a quick and practical approach that also provided a lot of insights.</font>
<p><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dick</font>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">Dick</font>
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