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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Hi Naomi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>You are correct that the English should
become the vernacular and the Matigsalug should be the national (or regional)
language. You will have to think of English as the language being described and
therefore the vernacular. This is actually the correct way to view your
situation and should solve your problem. It is not just an ad hoc solution.
This is the way MDF was designed to behave.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>MDF includes \?e fields because English is
an international language and most researchers would know English and very
likely use it as the analysis language. But this is confusing. MDF provides for
three analysis languages. The first ‘e’ can be English. The second ‘n’
can be the national language of the country, but could be anything (e.g. French,
Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, anything you want it to be). The
third ‘r’ can be a regional language in the country, but it too
could be anything. In fact the ‘e’ can be anything. MDF assumes
English, but you can change it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>The important thing is to realize that ‘v’
is the vernacular language—the language being described and ‘e’
‘n’ and ‘r’ are analysis languages—the languages
used to describe the vernacular. In a monolingual dictionary the ‘v’
is both the vernacular and the analysis language. In a bilingual dictionary the
‘v’ is still the vernacular, but the analysis language can be ‘e’
‘n’ or ‘r’.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Naomi Keith<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:06
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> robert_hunt@sil.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] a student
dictionary</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi there,<o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We are in the
process of making an English-Matigsalug student dictionary aimed at being a
resource for non-native English speakers. We are using Toolbox, and are aiming
for a fairly standard MDF structure. However, it is not completely
standard, as it appears that Toolbox is more designed to use English as a
metalanguage, not as the focus language.<o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>At the moment, the
English fields are encoded with \?e, and the Matigsalug fields are encoded with
\?v. Upon importing into Lexique Pro, it doesn’t seem possible to
print the English example sentences, because MDF appears to treat them as a
translation field for another language, not a ‘stand-alone’ example
field. <o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Does anyone have
any suggestions about how to deal with this? I though perhaps of making English
the \?v field, and Matigsalug the \?n (national language) – not strictly
correct, but it would solve the problem, perhaps, and would make the database
more ‘standard’ in some ways.<o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Thanks very much,<o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Naomi Keith<o></o><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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