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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks very much for your detailed response – that’s exactly
what I needed to know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Naomi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronald Moe<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 July 2009 1:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Lexicog] a student dictionary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'>Hi Naomi,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'>You are correct that the English should become the
vernacular and the Matigsalug should be the national (or regional) language.
You will have to think of English as the language being described and therefore
the vernacular. This is actually the correct way to view your situation and
should solve your problem. It is not just an ad hoc solution. This is the way
MDF was designed to behave.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'>MDF includes \?e fields because English is an international
language and most researchers would know English and very likely use it as the
analysis language. But this is confusing. MDF provides for three analysis
languages. The first ‘e’ can be English. The second ‘n’ can be the national
language of the country, but could be anything (e.g. French, Spanish, Russian,
Chinese, Japanese, Korean, anything you want it to be). The third ‘r’ can be a
regional language in the country, but it too could be anything. In fact the ‘e’
can be anything. MDF assumes English, but you can change it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'>The important thing is to realize that ‘v’ is the vernacular
language—the language being described and ‘e’ ‘n’ and ‘r’ are analysis
languages—the languages used to describe the vernacular. In a monolingual
dictionary the ‘v’ is both the vernacular and the analysis language. In a
bilingual dictionary the ‘v’ is still the vernacular, but the analysis language
can be ‘e’ ‘n’ or ‘r’.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:blue'>Ron Moe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Naomi Keith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> robert_hunt@sil.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Lexicog] a student dictionary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Hi
there,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We
are in the process of making an English-Matigsalug student dictionary aimed at
being a resource for non-native English speakers. We are using Toolbox, and are
aiming for a fairly standard MDF structure. However, it is not completely
standard, as it appears that Toolbox is more designed to use English as a
metalanguage, not as the focus language.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>At
the moment, the English fields are encoded with \?e, and the Matigsalug fields
are encoded with \?v. Upon importing into Lexique Pro, it doesn’t seem
possible to print the English example sentences, because MDF appears to treat
them as a translation field for another language, not a ‘stand-alone’ example
field. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Does
anyone have any suggestions about how to deal with this? I though perhaps of
making English the \?v field, and Matigsalug the \?n (national language) – not
strictly correct, but it would solve the problem, perhaps, and would make the
database more ‘standard’ in some ways.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks
very much,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Naomi
Keith<o:p></o:p></p>
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