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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Dear Ron Moe, <br><br>Thank you for your very encouraging email.<br>OK, I shall keep on working on the cleaning activity of my database and experiment with Lexique Pro. I;m expecting to publish the dictionary in Aprill or May. I hope I shall avail your generous guidance in future.<br><br>Regards, <br><br>Inam<br><br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 10/13/09, Ronald Moe <i><ron_moe@sil.org></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ronald Moe <ron_moe@sil.org><br>Subject: RE: [Lexicog] email to send to Lexicography list<br>To: lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com<br>Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 11:04 AM<br><br><div id="yiv1373189734">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Dear Inam,</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">I have found that the task of collecting
data for a dictionary and the task of preparing a dictionary for publication
are very different. Even if you have collected all your data, you may need help
getting the data in the correct form for publication. If you have been using
Toolbox for a long time and you are close to finishing, I would not recommend
that you change to FieldWorks. It would take a long time to learn the new
program. FieldWorks does some things differently from Toolbox and you may find
that you have to do a lot more work to get everything correct in FieldWorks. This
is especially true if you don’t know how to correctly import your data
into FieldWorks. You can easily create problems for yourself if your data is
not correct or if you don’t import your data correctly into FieldWorks.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">I would recommend that you finish
collecting your data. Then you should import your data into Lexique Pro and use
Lexique Pro to publish your dictionary. I would not recommend that you print
the dictionary using MDF. Lexique Pro is a very good program and fairly easy to
use. However you may need help, especially if you have not rigorously followed
the MDF standard. There are programs and techniques that you can use to clean
up your Toolbox database, but I cannot explain them all in a short email. You
may need to find someone who can help you. I am in Uganda doing research right now and
will not have any time until January.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">I hope this helps,</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Ron Moe</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> lexicographylist@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: lexicographylist@ yahoogroups. com ] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Inam Ullah<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 12, 2009
10:07 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lexicographylist@ yahoogroups. com<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Lexicog] email to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Dear Ron, <br>
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I've been using Shoebox/Toolbox since long and my lexical database is still
in the Toolbox program. I too had similar problems with MDF while exporting
my database. I'm doing experiments with Lexique Pro but not fully
successful. My dictionary project is now closer to the end and I want to get
my dictionary print. What I should do? Do you recommend me to the Fieldworks?
Can my data file be opened in the Fieldworks program? <br>
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Regards,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><b><font size="3" color="#111111" face="Arial Black"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(17, 17, 17);">Inam Ullah</span></font><font color="#111111"><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17);"> </span></font></b></strong><b><font color="#111111"><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-weight: bold;"><br>
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<strong><b><font face="System"><span style="font-family: System;">Center for
Research in Urdu Language Processing</span></font></b></strong> (CRULP<em><i><font face="Times New Roman">) </font></i></em><i><span style="font-style: italic;"><br>
</span></i>FAST National University, Faisal Town, Lahore Pakistan. <br>
Cell: +92 0314 7651446</p>
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--- On <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Mon, 10/12/09, Ronald Moe <i><span style="font-style: italic;"><ron_moe@sil. org></span></i></span></b>
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From: Ronald Moe <ron_moe@sil. org><br>
Subject: RE: [Lexicog] email to send to Lexicography list<br>
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Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:22 AM</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Naomi Keith wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">“</span></font>Our team has a question about MDF - is MDF
being maintained or is it basically a dead format now? Other than Toolbox,
what programs can manipulate or import MDF files?<font color="blue"><span style="color: blue;">”</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">My understanding is that MDF is no longer being maintained. I
know of one person who made some changes a few years ago. The problem is that
the Consistent Changes tables that are used to prepare the database for
printing are very complicated. So trying to change one thing may require
searching lots of code for unexpected consequences.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Another problem with MDF is that the user is limited to the
standard fields. If you want to do anything nonstandard (for instance if your
language family has a tradition of dictionaries that is different than the
MDF format), you must “misuse” one of the standard fields or
otherwise play with the standard fields to get MDF to format your dictionary
the way you want it.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">MDF was designed to be used with the Shoebox/Toolbox program. You
can import an MDF database into Lexique Pro and FieldWorks. However I have
never seen a Shoebox or Toolbox database that was clean and consistent. In my
experience it has always required some cleanup and manipulation of the data
to bring it up to the MDF standard. If you neglect to do this, you are very
likely to get errors when trying to print with MDF or import the database
into another program. Consequently newer programs like FieldWorks and WeSay
use a standardized format to ensure that the data is consistent. In fact a
number of programmers are working on a new standard for lexical data called
LIFT. WeSay keeps its data in the LIFT format standard. FieldWorks can export
and import from the LIFT standard, and Lexique Pro can import a LIFT file.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Toolbox users have also developed other tools to work with MDF
files. For instance I know of one tool that helps to clean up an MDF file,
but I’ve never used it. There is a Toolbox users email discussion list
similar to this one. You might want to join it.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Having said all this, MDF is still useful and many people have
successfully used it to organize and print their dictionaries, including me.
However I have switched to FieldWorks, which I consider a vastly superior
program for handling dictionaries. I still use Toolbox for other kinds of
databases, but not for dictionaries.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="blue" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: blue;">Ron Moe</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;"> lexicographylist@ yahoogroups.
com [mailto:lexicograph ylist@yahoogroup s.com] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Naomi Keith<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 01, 2009
8:49 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lexicographylist@
yahoogroups. com<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> 'Robert Hunt'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] email to send
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<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Our team has a question about MDF - is MDF being
maintained or is it basically a dead format now? Other than Toolbox, what
programs can manipulate or import MDF files?</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Thanks very much,</span></font></p>
<p><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black;">Naomi Keith</span></font></p>
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