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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>You cannot copyright the words of a
language. So you can use the headwords from a copyrighted dictionary. But you
should fix spelling errors, add new words, omit archaic words, etc. Otherwise
the copyright owner of the old dictionary might very well complain on moral
principles if not legal ones.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>You can copyright definitions, example
sentences, and other descriptions. If the older dictionary is still in print,
you cannot use the descriptions without permission.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>There are very serious problems involved in
merging two databases. The data structure is often different. The data itself
may follow different principles (what to include, what labels to use, how to
abbreviate it, etc.). So you will very likely spend a huge amount of time
regularizing the data.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Dictionaries ought to be designed for a
particular audience with their needs in mind. So it is unlikely that an older
dictionary will follow the same design parameters as a newer one. You might
want to use a different definition style, include different kinds of
information, etc. So all in all, it is probably better to start from scratch. You
might want to have a copy of the older dictionary on hand to look up how they
handled a particular lexeme. (Most lexicographers do this.) But you will
probably save time in the long run and have a better, more consistent
dictionary if you start over. This is especially true if you are a better
lexicographer than those who produced the old one and if you work using better
principles and procedures. For instance the corpus method has radically
improved the accuracy of definitions and the helpfulness of example sentences. I
would be very hesitant to try to revise a pre-corpus method dictionary. I would
probably have to rewrite everything anyway. Better just to start over.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:blue'>Ron Moe<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName> [mailto:<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName>] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Richard Gravina<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 16, 2009
4:46 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Lexicog] Using old
dictionaries</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I've had a couple of queries from people I'm advising about
using previously published dictionaries. These concern African languages where
there is a published work which is old but still in print. In both cases
there are mother tongue speakers who wish to use the old dictionary as a basis
for a new dictionary, which may also be published.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Firstly, what are the copyright issues? How much revision or
enhancement is necessary for the new dictionary to be a different work?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Secondly, is this a good way of making a new dictionary? The
older works may contain a fair number of inaccuracies or be based on a
restricted set of texts. Would it be better to start from scratch?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any advice greatly appreciated.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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