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<P>--- In <A
href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com">lexicographylist@<WBR>yahoogroups.<WBR>com</A>,
billposer@..<WBR>. wrote:<BR><BR>> A problem with working from older
dictionaries that I am surprised<BR>> that no one has mentioned is that if
one follows the order of entries<BR>> in the older dictionary, from a
topical point of view you will be<BR>> skipping around all over the place
(unless its a topical dictionary).<BR></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael Everson responded:</FONT></P>
<P>Aren't most dictionaries organized in alphabetical order?<BR></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=#008000>Probably most (but not all) dictionaries are
organized in alphabetical order. I have published both topical (by semantic
domains) and alphabetical order dictionaries.</FONT></P><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#008000>There is a discovery procedure issue with working
with alphabetical dictionaries which someone else here has already mentioned.
It is that while it may be easier to locate a form in a dictionary by its
alphabetical entry, human brains categorize lexical data by semantic domains,
semantic associations, and relationships. None of these are related to
alphabetic order. At a minimum, lexical fieldwork needs to be done by semantic
domains, as with Ron Moe's system (he's a subscriber here). Then computer
software can put the headwords in alphabetical order. But semantic categories
still need to be indicated for each entry, so that semantic domain lists can
be generated from the lexical database.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael, I think you and I communicated some many
years ago over Cheyenne orthography and character <FONT color=#008000>sets.
Nice to see your name again.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#008000 size=2>Wayne</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#008000>-----<BR>Wayne
Leman<BR>Ninilchik Russian:<BR></FONT><A
href="http://ninilchik.noadsfree.com">http://ninilchik.noadsfree.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<P><BR>I would have imagined that most speakers of Carrier had encountered
English or French dictionaries and would have some sort of expectation of
alphabetical order.<BR><BR>This is of some interest to me in terms of
character encoding. Currently I am working on some West African syllabaries,
none of which have much to offer in terms of rational sorting order. Vai is a
bit of an exception, because it has a certain order and indeed runs of similar
glyphs within the ordering which would help users to find things. (Remembering
alphabetical order is easy with 30 characters; syllabaries are much bigger.
<BR><BR>But perhaps this isn't on topic any
longer.<BR></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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