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<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I am more familiar with Fieldworks than Lexique Pro, but there may be ways for you to move your data back and forth, since they are both developed by SIL. <br><br></div>About your original question on what components of word meaning: I have found it useful to include the classification into semantic domains. In Fieldworks, they include an extended classification hierarchy based on the Outline of Cultural Materials used by anthropologists. It took me a few weeks to get used to this hierarchy, but I now find it intuitive and easy to use. I find it useful in organizing the vocabulary items for various practical purposes, including many of the intended purposes you mention for your heritage dictionary.<br>
<br></div>I think one of the most critical components is the sense definitions, and selecting a way to divide an entry into separate but related senses. Especially for common words, there can be more than a dozen distinct senses, which are worth describing and documenting. What I have found to be a good model is the style of entry structuring and sense definition used in the COBUILD dictionaries. They used a large corpus to establish frequencies of the senses they selected, but even without that I find their approach useful. They set up distinct senses partly based on usage, if there a recognizable grammar patterns which bring out a particular sense of meaning. In the sense definition proper, they apply a rather unique style of definition, which I have found especially helpful in defining verb senses. <br>
<br>Especially for verbs, the definition usually has two parts, for example: <br><br></div>1. If you <b>catch</b> a person or animal, you capture them after chasing them, or by using a trap, net or other device {... 3 usage examples provided}<br>
</div>2. If you <b>catch</b> an object that is moving through the air, you seize it with your hands. {...1 usage example} <> Catch is also a noun {...1 usage example}<br><br></div>The first part of the definition (the if clause) describes a more generic situation, then the second part refines that situation with the ideas that are uniquely contributed by that sense (or co-contributed by the typically collocated words for that particular sense, based on the corpus evidence). I have noticed that if you look at all the <br>
senses together, the first parts of the various sense definitions seem to partition the range of occurrences in a natural way, according to what participants in a situation are interacting. I think of the first part as the Recognition Situation, it helps a dictionary user, especially if they are a language learner or using the reference to better communicate with learners, to recognize what are the broad types of participants (is the direct object a a person/animal, moving under its own power, or is it an object, falling due to gravity?) that let a competent language user pick out this sense from alternatives. The participants are mentioned in terms of general types (you, someone, person, something, object, place, etc) which are typical of all language use. <br>
<br></div>The second part of the definition, which I think of as the Distinguishing Situation, crucially builds on the first part, sometimes by mentioning the same participants but this time using more specific nouns. These could be subtypes or examples. For verbs, it mentions 1 or 2 other verbs (catch and chase; seize) which are sort of mnemonics for remembering this sense as opposed to other senses, which is why I call this the Distinguishing Situation. Of course, using near synonyms in a definition don't always help, if you don't know the synonymous word used in the definition; but I think COBUILD does a good enough job of providing enough context so that a user can figure out not just the head word but learn the synonyms as well. The context as described in the definition may include other participants in the situation that may not be explicit in usage examples, but are typical of the logic of the situation.<br>
<br></div>I think Fieldworks, while it isn't the most user friendly program, does a good job of managing the complexities of massaging language data into user friendly definitions in a consistent and systematic way. It also allows you to annotate and interlinearize texts so that your dictionary entries can make use of analyzed texts for examples and other purposes.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Richard Gravina <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Richard-Sue_Gravina@sil.org" target="_blank">Richard-Sue_Gravina@sil.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Have you also looked at programs such as Fieldworks and WeSay? Lexique Pro
is good for displaying dictionaries, but for building a dictionary these other
programs are better.</div>
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<div>When it comes to deciding which components to include, it would be best to
get the advice of a linguist who is familiar with your language, or other
related languages. There may be grammatical properties that it is important to
include, but those will be specific to the language. </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="benjaminbarrett85@gmail.com" href="mailto:benjaminbarrett85@gmail.com" target="_blank">Benjamin Barrett</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 25, 2014 9:26 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">lexicographylist@yahoogroups.com</a>
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lexicog] Lexique Pro dictionary
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<p></p><div class="">I cannot help with Lexique, but I have been working on a pilot project for
Lushootseed using the Wiki Foundation (Wikipedia, Wiktionary, etc.) software,
which is free, flexible and easily accessible. (Configuration is not easy as the
instructions that are available can be difficult to follow.)
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</div><div><div class="">You can see my beta project at:<br>
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<div><a href="http://lushootseed.langrev.com/wiktionary/Main_Page" target="_blank">http://lushootseed.langrev.com/wiktionary/Main_Page</a></div>
</div><div><div class=""><a href="http://lushootseed.langrev.com/wiktionary/sqig%CA%B7%C9%99c" target="_blank">http://lushootseed.langrev.com/wiktionary/sqig%CA%B7%C9%99c</a><br>
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<div>HTH</div>
<div>Ben Barrett</div>
<div>La Conner, WA</div>
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</div><div>Learn Ainu! <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/aynuitak1/videos" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/site/aynuitak1/videos</a><br>
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<div>On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:36 AM, <a href="mailto:nataliegdiaz@gmail.com" target="_blank">nataliegdiaz@gmail.com</a> wrote:</div><br>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">Hello.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">I am
a new member to the group, and my Elders and I are using Lexique Pro to build
our heritage language dictionary. I would like to get input as to which
components of word meanings you believe are most important to include when
building a dictionary. Right now, we have only the basics, such as the english
gloss, the definition, part of speech, and we also have multiple audio and
video files that allow the word to be heard in a sentence or within a story or
song. </div>
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</div><div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">Our
dictionary is intended for our community, as a! learning tool, and as a tool
that can help support a language curriculum in the school.</div><div class="">
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">But
we want to make it as dynamic and helpful as possible, in addition, we hope
that it can be helpful to any of our learners who might enter into the
linguistic field in the future.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">As
well, any suggestions or tips you might have for working with Lexique will be
appreciated and helpful.</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">'Ahotk</div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE:16px;FONT-FAMILY:calibri;COLOR:rgb(34,34,34)">Natalie</div>
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