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color=#0000ff size=2>True. The widespread of these discriminatory terms is
important. Was I an academic castigating myself tho'? I think I was more
despairing that the academic terminology hadn't spread.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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* * *<BR>Anthea Fraser Gupta
(Dr)<BR>School of English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT
<www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg><BR>NB: Reply to
a.f.gupta@leeds.ac.uk<BR>* *
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu
[mailto:owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Harold
Schiffman<BR><B>Sent:</B> 26 July 2007 13:32<BR><B>To:</B>
lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Ebonics: The Subject
Still Stirs Strong Feelings<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Of course we need to challenge the terms. But I get tired of the
parochialism of academics castigating themselves because
of this terminology, as if it's only an American (or British) phenomenon,
when it's been around for quite some time. In my previous response, I
could have shown how it goes back to the French Revolution, and that the
notion of "mother tongue" also comes from that era. One could also say
the same thing about notions of what is a "language" and what is only a
"dialect" in South Asia, to look beyond our parochial borders. So let's not be
ahistorical. One of my pet peeves is the narrow focus of most scholarship on
language policy--students in particular have to be dragged kicking and
screaming to get them to even glance at studies of other cultures, and to see
how broadly distributed these phenomena are. </DIV>
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<DIV>HS<BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 7/26/07, <B class=gmail_sendername>Anthea
Fraser Gupta</B> <<A
href="mailto:A.F.Gupta@leeds.ac.uk">A.F.Gupta@leeds.ac.uk</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Rodney
is right to say that my question related to the need to challenge<BR>the
terms. I suppose I am just so shocked that this assumption that if <BR>you
don't use Standard English you don't have language is being<BR>unchecked.
Similar things happen in the UK, with alingualism usually<BR>(but not
always) associated with class rather than with
ethnicity.<BR><BR>Anthea<BR>*
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* *<BR>Anthea Fraser Gupta (Dr)<BR>School of
English, University of Leeds, LS2 9JT<BR><<A
href="http://www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg">www.leeds.ac.uk/english/staff/afg</A>><BR>NB:
Reply to <A
href="mailto:a.f.gupta@leeds.ac.uk">a.f.gupta@leeds.ac.uk</A><BR>*
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* *<BR><BR><BR>> -----Original
Message-----<BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu">owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu
</A><BR>> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu">owner-lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu</A>]
On Behalf Of<BR>> Rodney K Hopson<BR>> Sent: 26 July 2007
09:27<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu">lgpolicy-list@ccat.sas.upenn.edu</A><BR>>
Subject: Re: Ebonics: The Subject Still Stirs Strong
Feelings<BR>><BR>> And, wasn't Anthea's question related to the
challenge of<BR>> terminology rather than the historical connection (not
that <BR>> one could necessarily divorce the two)? This sounds
as much<BR>> political as historical, no?<BR>><BR>> --<BR>>
Rodney K. Hopson<BR>> Hillman Distinguished Professor<BR>> Department
of Foundations and Leadership School of Education <BR>> Duquesne
University 600 Forbes Avenue Pittsburgh, PA 15282-0540
USA<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=all><BR>--
<BR>=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+<BR><BR>Harold F.
Schiffman<BR><BR>Professor Emeritus of <BR>Dravidian Linguistics and Culture
<BR>Dept. of South Asia
Studies
<BR>University of Pennsylvania<BR>Philadelphia, PA
19104-6305<BR><BR>Phone: (215) 898-7475<BR>Fax: (215)
573-2138
<BR><BR>Email: <A
href="mailto:haroldfs@gmail.com">haroldfs@gmail.com</A><BR><A
href="http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/">http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/</A> <BR><BR>-------------------------------------------------
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