<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">sorry -- the language on the seal was identified as Persian on the website from which I purloined the image. guess I'll have to revise. And I couldn't find examples of the Dari and Pashtu words in the English-language sites I looked at. Thanks for the update. I will try to add them, though I may only be able to add the transliterations, given the limitations of the software we use.<div><br></div><div>DB<br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; 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"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Dennis Baron</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Professor of English and Linguistics</font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 12px; "><font face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; ">Department of English<span class="Apple-converted-tab"> </span><span class="Apple-converted-tab"> </span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-size: 12px; 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Delegates also argued over which of the nation's two official languages should be used in class.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">... A reporter for a state-run newspaper was recently fined for using the Dari word for 'university' instead of the Pashtu one, even though that Persian word is on Kabul University’s official seal.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>One of the frustrating things about this story, as retailed passim in the English-language press, is that we are told neither the Dari nor the Pashtu words at issue (You can almost see the editor's knowing wink: "What sane person would care about two words in non-European languages? This is just for fun!")<br><br>This seems to have led Dennis Baron into an error. Looking at a Persian-language report (e.g. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5ww7bf)">http://tinyurl.com/5ww7bf)</a> it is clear that the Dari/Persian word is دانشگاه (dâneshgâh) while the Pashtu is پوهنتون (pohantun).<br><br>Dennis kindly exhibits the relevant seal from Kabul on his Web of Language (<a href="http://tinyurl.com/6blufj">http://tinyurl.com/6blufj</a>). But it clearly bears the Pashtu word for university.<br><br>So the Kabul University authorities are only guilty of a foolish consistency, not reduced ad absurdum.<br><br>-- <br>Nicholas Ostler<br><a href="mailto:nostler@chibcha.demon.co.uk">nostler@chibcha.demon.co.uk</a><br><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>